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Lesbian kisses at game ignite Seattle debate
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"I would be uncomfortable" seeing public displays of affection between lesbians or gay men, said Jim Ridneour, a 54-year-old taxi driver. "I don't think it's right seeing women kissing in public. If I had my family there, I'd have to explain what's going on."
*sigh* All right, let's try this again.
If you're out with your family and you see two people of the same sex kissing, you don't actually have to explain anal sex or fisting or the workings of a strap-on or the precise anatomical location of the prostate or what a bear is or how to put on assless chaps or what gay-for-pay means or how edible flavored lube really is or why that well at the tip of a condom has to be there or what kind of batteries go into a dildo or how many sexual positions two six-foot-tall guys can get into in the cab of a pick-up truck or why Heath Ledger was robbed of that Best Actor Oscar or what Melissa Etheridge needed David Crosby for or what poppers are or why those really flamboyant guys in the Pride parade only wear a sparkly thong or Leonid the Magnificent.
If you're having such a hard fucking problem understanding what to say to your kids about gay people, ask them. Ten bucks says they will look at two guys or two girls kissing, shrug, and say, "They must like each other a lot."
You know, if you haven't already broken them, you moron.
No, we wouldn't want parents to have to actually explain things to their kids! It's not like parents are in the explaining-fucking-business! Did the parental handbook ever say that parents would have to have discussions with their kids to explain the world around them? No, I don't think so!
Jesus fucking Christ. Kids are going to come in contact with the world. Sorry, it's just gonna happen. And "protecting" them from having any information about the society in which they live doesn't actually protect them. It leaves them completely defensless when they actually do come in contact with something that you didn't see fit to inform them about! And they will come in contact with that, I guaran-fucking-tee it! The moment you made your decision to carry the pregnancy to term and accept responsibility for the care and rearing of that infant is the day you agreed to be a teacher, mentor, and guardian and that includes FUCKING EXPLAINING SHIT!
It's the same problem people have with poly or swingers or kinky people ... what about the children? You don't have to go into details, just say that they like each other! It's really not that difficult of a concept to grasp! As several people in the OP's comments have said, it takes grown-ups to make the issue complicated.
trollprincess (http://trollprincess.livejournal.com/1636568.html) because her answer was just way too cool and I have to repeat it every single time I hear "I don't like it because I'd have to explain it to my kids" from now on: Lesbian kisses at game ignite Seattle debate
A quote:
"I would be uncomfortable" seeing public displays of affection between lesbians or gay men, said Jim Ridneour, a 54-year-old taxi driver. "I don't think it's right seeing women kissing in public. If I had my family there, I'd have to explain what's going on."
*sigh* All right, let's try this again.
If you're out with your family and you see two people of the same sex kissing, you don't actually have to explain anal sex or fisting or the workings of a strap-on or the precise anatomical location of the prostate or what a bear is or how to put on assless chaps or what gay-for-pay means or how edible flavored lube really is or why that well at the tip of a condom has to be there or what kind of batteries go into a dildo or how many sexual positions two six-foot-tall guys can get into in the cab of a pick-up truck or why Heath Ledger was robbed of that Best Actor Oscar or what Melissa Etheridge needed David Crosby for or what poppers are or why those really flamboyant guys in the Pride parade only wear a sparkly thong or Leonid the Magnificent.
If you're having such a hard fucking problem understanding what to say to your kids about gay people, ask them. Ten bucks says they will look at two guys or two girls kissing, shrug, and say, "They must like each other a lot."
You know, if you haven't already broken them, you moron.
No, we wouldn't want parents to have to actually explain things to their kids! It's not like parents are in the explaining-fucking-business! Did the parental handbook ever say that parents would have to have discussions with their kids to explain the world around them? No, I don't think so!
Jesus fucking Christ. Kids are going to come in contact with the world. Sorry, it's just gonna happen. And "protecting" them from having any information about the society in which they live doesn't actually protect them. It leaves them completely defensless when they actually do come in contact with something that you didn't see fit to inform them about! And they will come in contact with that, I guaran-fucking-tee it! The moment you made your decision to carry the pregnancy to term and accept responsibility for the care and rearing of that infant is the day you agreed to be a teacher, mentor, and guardian and that includes FUCKING EXPLAINING SHIT!
It's the same problem people have with poly or swingers or kinky people ... what about the children? You don't have to go into details, just say that they like each other! It's really not that difficult of a concept to grasp! As several people in the OP's comments have said, it takes grown-ups to make the issue complicated.
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Date: 8/1/08 06:51 am (UTC)From:...and as always, your vitriol delights. Because who said you had to, y'know, *parent*, when you have kids? Really, the nerve of suggesting such things.
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Date: 8/1/08 07:29 am (UTC)From:I have been told more than once that a friend or relative of a partner did not want to invite me to some social function because then he would have to explain the nature of my relationship to his children or other family members.
Excuse me? Who said the nature of my relationship had to be explained? I can be introduced simply as "Joreth" (or my real name) and if any further explanation is required, "his girlfriend" suffices. Anyone who dares question further into the nature of my romantic life deserves the answer they get, but usually the next question is "and everyone is OK with that?" to which the answer is a simple "yes".
There are no graphic descriptions of the threesome we had all weekend, I don't bring out the pictures of the orgy at Necro, and no explanation of the dungeon I am slowly trying to build in
I believe you are familiar with the epic battle with my mother the last time I visited CA? At age 29 she finally allowed me to share a bedroom with a boyfriend I brought home for the holidays, so the following year when I had a different male friend visit, he was not allowed to share the spare bedroom with two twin beds because my nephew might "think something". My response that my 10 year old nephew would only think what we told him to think was met with a blank look and a reiterance of the statement that it just didn't "look right" because my parents did not want to have to explain polyamory or adult sexual relationships to their grandchild.
I also pointed out to my mother that I would not be doing anything unseemly while my parents slept in the next room and my nephew slept across the hall. If I wanted to have sex, I'd hop in the van and drive elsewhere.
She was not amused by my assurances.
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Date: 8/1/08 11:24 pm (UTC)From:Miss Manners said of course you invite all of your family to your wedding and you simply introduce them as "my sister and her family". That is all you need to do.
She generally takes the stance that you don't discuss sleeping arrangements as they are nobody else's business and you have no need to tell people them and they shouldn't be asking anyway.
I'm okay with people asking me if they are curious, because I often don't mind sharing. But if they ask, they are responsible for having brought up the subject and shouldn't complain at having it brought up.
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Date: 8/2/08 01:17 am (UTC)From:I take the same path, if they ask, they're responsible for the outcome, which is why I always advise people never to ask a question unless you're willing to hear the answer. But if it really is something a person is curious about, I'm happy to give all the naughty details!
Brava!
Date: 8/1/08 09:11 pm (UTC)From:Re: Brava!
Date: 8/2/08 01:20 am (UTC)From:Thank god I'm an atheist ;-)
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Date: 8/2/08 04:44 am (UTC)From: