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So, I was actually challenged by someone on my stance on abortion. They seemed to try and catch me in a "gotcha". My position is that I do not want to be pregnant, and as its my body, I am the only one who gets to have a say in whether or not I am pregnant. The opposing position was the usual tripe about how men "deserve" the right to be fathers and it's not fair that women can unilaterally decide on behalf of men that they will become fathers or not be allowed to be fathers, just because women are the ones who carry the fetuses.
The question was what I would do if I could transfer the pregnancy to the father, in some hypothetical magical medical machine that would transfer the fetus with absolutely no side effects or permanent changes or damage to my own body. The unstated implication in the question was that he expected me to still choose the abortion, for ... some reason.
Instead, I said "I don't fucking care how the fetus gets out of my body, as long as it gets out of my body without damaging it and I don't have any financial ties to it." If the fathers really want to take on sole responsibility the way women have been forced to forever, that's their choice, but I suspect very few will really understand what it is they're taking on as single, solely responsible parents.
He didn't actually know how to take that response. Apparently it didn't occur to him that anyone would actually accept that as a viable option. Except I'm not pro-abortion because I'm pro-killing-fetuses. I'm pro-abortion because I legitimately do not want to be pregnant nor can I afford to raise a child. Whatever method results in that solution, I'm willing to entertain.
As an adopted child, and as someone who was once so poor that I signed up to be an egg donor, I have absolutely no qualms about someone else raising "my" child. I believe children should be raised by parents who want them, and I don't want them.
But I'm quite sure most men don't really want them either. At least not the way they *think* they want them. And being forced to carry a fetus will reveal that. Could you imagine the outcry if this magical machine was available to anyone carrying a fetus and the default option was to implant it in the other genetic-contributing parent with OR WITHOUT their agreement?
Like, we as a society don't like abortion, so this magic machine is created as a solution to abortion, which means that if the pregnant person wants it out, the fetus has to go SOMEWHERE, and the other genetic donor was obligated to take over the responsibility in the way that the current fetus-carrier is currently obligated by increasingly aggressive lack of abortion options? Passing it onto someone who is not genetically related would require both a consent form and a medical exam to make sure they could biologically carry it to term (like current surrogates), but if one parent doesn't want the fetus, the other has to take it, since getting rid of it wouldn't be allowed.
I'm not actually proposing that we have a solution that merely passes on the violation of bodily autonomy. I'm just saying that if the gender that has never really known what it means to live a life under the threat of no autonomy was suddenly faced with it, the arguments would change right quick.
The question was what I would do if I could transfer the pregnancy to the father, in some hypothetical magical medical machine that would transfer the fetus with absolutely no side effects or permanent changes or damage to my own body. The unstated implication in the question was that he expected me to still choose the abortion, for ... some reason.
Instead, I said "I don't fucking care how the fetus gets out of my body, as long as it gets out of my body without damaging it and I don't have any financial ties to it." If the fathers really want to take on sole responsibility the way women have been forced to forever, that's their choice, but I suspect very few will really understand what it is they're taking on as single, solely responsible parents.
He didn't actually know how to take that response. Apparently it didn't occur to him that anyone would actually accept that as a viable option. Except I'm not pro-abortion because I'm pro-killing-fetuses. I'm pro-abortion because I legitimately do not want to be pregnant nor can I afford to raise a child. Whatever method results in that solution, I'm willing to entertain.
As an adopted child, and as someone who was once so poor that I signed up to be an egg donor, I have absolutely no qualms about someone else raising "my" child. I believe children should be raised by parents who want them, and I don't want them.
But I'm quite sure most men don't really want them either. At least not the way they *think* they want them. And being forced to carry a fetus will reveal that. Could you imagine the outcry if this magical machine was available to anyone carrying a fetus and the default option was to implant it in the other genetic-contributing parent with OR WITHOUT their agreement?
Like, we as a society don't like abortion, so this magic machine is created as a solution to abortion, which means that if the pregnant person wants it out, the fetus has to go SOMEWHERE, and the other genetic donor was obligated to take over the responsibility in the way that the current fetus-carrier is currently obligated by increasingly aggressive lack of abortion options? Passing it onto someone who is not genetically related would require both a consent form and a medical exam to make sure they could biologically carry it to term (like current surrogates), but if one parent doesn't want the fetus, the other has to take it, since getting rid of it wouldn't be allowed.
I'm not actually proposing that we have a solution that merely passes on the violation of bodily autonomy. I'm just saying that if the gender that has never really known what it means to live a life under the threat of no autonomy was suddenly faced with it, the arguments would change right quick.
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