Depression & Self-Doubt
Dec. 22nd, 2020 09:56 pmAs I sit squarely in the middle of the season that triggered my last bout with depression, I came across this Facebook post I wrote towards a lull in the depression. It's interesting reading it again almost 2 years later. Although I think I have pulled out of the depression itself, I have not, in fact, gotten past my self-doubt of my character judgement, and I wonder how much of my inability to trust my own judgement has interfered with my ability to date and meet people in the past couple of years (really, this year shouldn't count, since I'm also not meeting people because I refuse to date in person, which, on top of my prickly online personality, means guys don't generally stick around long enough for me to consider them worth dating):
REALLY long rambling. Basically, I'm just doing some introspection out loud.
My last several breakups have severely undermined my confidence in my ability to judge character and make good partner choices. First was the guy who managed to date 2 feminists and then go full on misogynist "but misandry!" after we all broke up (his choice to breakup, btw, he's not doing some incel "the feminists dumped me, therefore women suck!" thing).
Next was the guy who abused all his other partners and I didn't see it. Then was the guy who ghosted me and I gave him another chance, only to have him ghost me a second time. Before that second ghosting was a casual partner who ghosted me once, I gave him a second chance, and he also ghosted me again.
Then came the dude who was so terrified that I would find someone to replace him that he dumped me for his ex-gf, because that makes sense. #HeLiftedMeUpAndThrewMeDownCryingPleaseDontHurtMeMama
So in the middle of my depression, I'm having a serious self-esteem issue over my ability to make good choices for myself. Which leads me to questioning and probing at some of my patterns, trying to identify and recognize them. I noticed one pattern several years ago, but couldn't really identify it. I could tell *something* was a common thread, but not quite sure what. I think I may be zeroing in on it.
I have different kinds of attractions to people. I'm sure others do too, but I'm interested in mine right now, to troubleshoot, not trying to identify some Grand Unifying Theory Of Attraction that other people might also feel. The most obvious is sexual attraction - we have a chemistry where we feel drawn to each other, aroused, can't keep our hands off each other, etc.
And I have an aesthetic attraction to someone where I just find them so pretty that I have to keep looking at them. For most of my life, I mistook this as sexual attraction. This partly contributed to my early confusion about my orientation. I thought I was bi because I found some women so aesthetically attractive that I felt I had to keep looking at them. But, it turns out, at least in me, the aesthetic attraction and the sexual attraction are two separate axis that may or may not cross and when it comes to women and femmes, they do not cross.
I can have an intellectual attraction to someone where we click really well on intellectual interests and pursuits. I get excited just thinking of the conversations we could have together. I also discovered something that I'm starting to call my Fascination Attraction. I have noticed that there are a few people in my past who I felt drawn to in a unique way. I felt a kind of fascination with them that wasn't really any of the above attractions.
It's kind of similar to the fascination that some people might feel when looking at a particularly interesting insect. Some people find insects gross or creepy or weird or scary or whatever. Some people find insects beautiful. But some people don't find them to be either, they just find them *fascinating*.
And, of course, it's not purely aesthetic for me, but chances are that the person I feel this attraction to isn't necessarily *conventionally* attractive. Not that they're *unattractive* - I mean, they often are considered attractive - just that, well ...
Let's say that the Avengers is a lineup of what counts for "conventionally attractive". If you look at the whole cast, there's actually a pretty decently diverse range of appearances, given that it's still Hollywood. I've seen a handful of different Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic/Good/Evil charts using Avengers characters. There are quite a few archetypes in that cast. But, because it's Hollywood, for all their diversity, they're still *conventionally attractive* within their archetypes.
So, let's say that the people I feel this Fascination Attraction to fit a description more like "interesting". Even given the range of Avengers-attractive, they might be more aptly described as "interesting" *even if people also happen to find them aesthetically attractive*, if that makes sense?
That's really my type, if I could say that I had a "type" at all - interesting. I like people with interesting faces. Sometimes that falls under the category of "conventionally attractive", sometimes it doesn't.
So, I have this Fascination Attraction. I'm not entirely sure what is drawing me to this person, because it's not aesthetics *even if they happen to be conventionally attractive* and it's not intellectual attraction *even if they happen to be intellectually stimulating* and it's not even sexual attraction *even if we happen to have sexual chemistry*.
I don't really know how to describe it, except that it's recognizable to me as this kind of attraction. I can go through my romantic and sexual history and pick out which of my previous partners I felt which of these attractions for that drew me to them initially (over time, as I get to know someone, my attraction tends to be more nuanced and pull from several different directions).
But the point of identifying all these different types of attractions is to recognize patterns associated when I act on the different types of attractions.
For instance, when I act purely on sexual attraction, I tend to find out after the fact that we have radically different political views and I might regret either getting to know them better or having started a sexual relationship. Like my mechanic, for instance - the homeopath conspiracist who thinks cigarettes won't kill him but chemotherapy will and that David Hoagg is part of a troupe of "crisis actors" who fake mass shootings.
Like, sure, he was a good fuck back in the day when we were sleeping together but holy shit! I still haven't decided which is worse - finding out just how much of a barking moonbat he is or knowing that I used to get naked with him now that I know his bizarre ideas.
So, when I feel an instant sexual attraction to someone, I probably ought to rein in the hormones a bit and ask myself, do I really want to fuck someone who will very likely turn out to be my opposite, politically speaking? Or am I willing to have the sexual experience and just go out of my way not to get to know him, so that I don't have to deal with that knowledge if he turns out to fit squarely in my Sexual Attraction : Wild Beliefs bell curve.
This Fascination Attraction, now ... that's an interesting one. See, when I have casual sex with someone with wildly divergent sociopolitical views, I don't feel anything particularly strongly, except perhaps some embarrassment in some of the more extreme cases. But with the Fascinators, that's where the roller coaster rides seem to happen. Extreme highs and lows. More regrets. More "I wish I had known that up front" thoughts. More "maybe I shouldn't have" or "maybe I should have gone more slowly" or "maybe I should have taken the other option".
I'm not yet sure if this is consistent across the board. I have to do more plotting of my history chart to see if the correlation is steady or if there are any exceptions. But with my recent self-doubt, it makes me very nervous when I find my interest in someone hitting that Fascination Attraction button. I feel drawn like a moth who knows exactly what will happen when I touch that flame but I go anyway.
So I hit the brakes and pull back, and then I second-guess my second-guessing, and down goes the spiral. With my depression and my recent painful dual breakups, I find myself less inclined for emotional attachments and more interested in casual relationships or hookups, but that leaves me open to the Fascination Attraction, which I am now second guessing because of the depression making me doubt my ability to judge people well or make good choices.
And 'round it goes.
I'm really kinda anxious for this whole depression thing to fuck off for a while. It's making me lonely and driven to pursue finding partners but also to back away from potential partners because I assume I'm going to fuck it up by choosing poorly. Catch-22.
REALLY long rambling. Basically, I'm just doing some introspection out loud.
My last several breakups have severely undermined my confidence in my ability to judge character and make good partner choices. First was the guy who managed to date 2 feminists and then go full on misogynist "but misandry!" after we all broke up (his choice to breakup, btw, he's not doing some incel "the feminists dumped me, therefore women suck!" thing).
Next was the guy who abused all his other partners and I didn't see it. Then was the guy who ghosted me and I gave him another chance, only to have him ghost me a second time. Before that second ghosting was a casual partner who ghosted me once, I gave him a second chance, and he also ghosted me again.
Then came the dude who was so terrified that I would find someone to replace him that he dumped me for his ex-gf, because that makes sense. #HeLiftedMeUpAndThrewMeDownCryingPleaseDontHurtMeMama
So in the middle of my depression, I'm having a serious self-esteem issue over my ability to make good choices for myself. Which leads me to questioning and probing at some of my patterns, trying to identify and recognize them. I noticed one pattern several years ago, but couldn't really identify it. I could tell *something* was a common thread, but not quite sure what. I think I may be zeroing in on it.
I have different kinds of attractions to people. I'm sure others do too, but I'm interested in mine right now, to troubleshoot, not trying to identify some Grand Unifying Theory Of Attraction that other people might also feel. The most obvious is sexual attraction - we have a chemistry where we feel drawn to each other, aroused, can't keep our hands off each other, etc.
And I have an aesthetic attraction to someone where I just find them so pretty that I have to keep looking at them. For most of my life, I mistook this as sexual attraction. This partly contributed to my early confusion about my orientation. I thought I was bi because I found some women so aesthetically attractive that I felt I had to keep looking at them. But, it turns out, at least in me, the aesthetic attraction and the sexual attraction are two separate axis that may or may not cross and when it comes to women and femmes, they do not cross.
I can have an intellectual attraction to someone where we click really well on intellectual interests and pursuits. I get excited just thinking of the conversations we could have together. I also discovered something that I'm starting to call my Fascination Attraction. I have noticed that there are a few people in my past who I felt drawn to in a unique way. I felt a kind of fascination with them that wasn't really any of the above attractions.
It's kind of similar to the fascination that some people might feel when looking at a particularly interesting insect. Some people find insects gross or creepy or weird or scary or whatever. Some people find insects beautiful. But some people don't find them to be either, they just find them *fascinating*.
And, of course, it's not purely aesthetic for me, but chances are that the person I feel this attraction to isn't necessarily *conventionally* attractive. Not that they're *unattractive* - I mean, they often are considered attractive - just that, well ...

So, let's say that the people I feel this Fascination Attraction to fit a description more like "interesting". Even given the range of Avengers-attractive, they might be more aptly described as "interesting" *even if people also happen to find them aesthetically attractive*, if that makes sense?
That's really my type, if I could say that I had a "type" at all - interesting. I like people with interesting faces. Sometimes that falls under the category of "conventionally attractive", sometimes it doesn't.
So, I have this Fascination Attraction. I'm not entirely sure what is drawing me to this person, because it's not aesthetics *even if they happen to be conventionally attractive* and it's not intellectual attraction *even if they happen to be intellectually stimulating* and it's not even sexual attraction *even if we happen to have sexual chemistry*.
I don't really know how to describe it, except that it's recognizable to me as this kind of attraction. I can go through my romantic and sexual history and pick out which of my previous partners I felt which of these attractions for that drew me to them initially (over time, as I get to know someone, my attraction tends to be more nuanced and pull from several different directions).
But the point of identifying all these different types of attractions is to recognize patterns associated when I act on the different types of attractions.
For instance, when I act purely on sexual attraction, I tend to find out after the fact that we have radically different political views and I might regret either getting to know them better or having started a sexual relationship. Like my mechanic, for instance - the homeopath conspiracist who thinks cigarettes won't kill him but chemotherapy will and that David Hoagg is part of a troupe of "crisis actors" who fake mass shootings.
Like, sure, he was a good fuck back in the day when we were sleeping together but holy shit! I still haven't decided which is worse - finding out just how much of a barking moonbat he is or knowing that I used to get naked with him now that I know his bizarre ideas.
So, when I feel an instant sexual attraction to someone, I probably ought to rein in the hormones a bit and ask myself, do I really want to fuck someone who will very likely turn out to be my opposite, politically speaking? Or am I willing to have the sexual experience and just go out of my way not to get to know him, so that I don't have to deal with that knowledge if he turns out to fit squarely in my Sexual Attraction : Wild Beliefs bell curve.
This Fascination Attraction, now ... that's an interesting one. See, when I have casual sex with someone with wildly divergent sociopolitical views, I don't feel anything particularly strongly, except perhaps some embarrassment in some of the more extreme cases. But with the Fascinators, that's where the roller coaster rides seem to happen. Extreme highs and lows. More regrets. More "I wish I had known that up front" thoughts. More "maybe I shouldn't have" or "maybe I should have gone more slowly" or "maybe I should have taken the other option".
I'm not yet sure if this is consistent across the board. I have to do more plotting of my history chart to see if the correlation is steady or if there are any exceptions. But with my recent self-doubt, it makes me very nervous when I find my interest in someone hitting that Fascination Attraction button. I feel drawn like a moth who knows exactly what will happen when I touch that flame but I go anyway.
So I hit the brakes and pull back, and then I second-guess my second-guessing, and down goes the spiral. With my depression and my recent painful dual breakups, I find myself less inclined for emotional attachments and more interested in casual relationships or hookups, but that leaves me open to the Fascination Attraction, which I am now second guessing because of the depression making me doubt my ability to judge people well or make good choices.
And 'round it goes.
I'm really kinda anxious for this whole depression thing to fuck off for a while. It's making me lonely and driven to pursue finding partners but also to back away from potential partners because I assume I'm going to fuck it up by choosing poorly. Catch-22.