joreth: (BDSM)
2022-08-16 11:56 am

Love And Leashes (a Netflix movie review)

I watched a Korean movie on Netflix called Love & Leashes, about a submissive guy who transfers to another department at work and meets a woman in that department who he wants to be his Master. Although she is ... "intimidating", she has never heard of BDSM before, but she finds the idea intriguing.

Korean culture is very different from USian culture, and how they conduct relationships is different. Going into this movie, I didn't know if what I was watching is actually how BDSM relationships are done in Korea or if it's more "the writers know nothing of this subject but thought it would sell a movie script", because it's definitely not how I would recommend conducting a D/s relationship here. But a USian friend of mine who has been living and teaching in Korea for the last several years chimed in to give some background:
It's based off a webtoon by an anonymous author. And the style in the movie is pretty spot on with Korean bdsm forums and the lingo in Korean is super accurate and could only be known by pretty extensive research or experience.

Even the word for fake Dom -- 변바 is in it. It's super niche bdsm slang. Same with 연디 date d/s.

When it shows twitter handles those are a few letters off from real people I know irl in Korea. The background info is... eerily exact to the real bdsm scene here.
Even not knowing if it was a culture difference or uninformed writing, 20 minutes in and it was already 50 shades more charming than the piece of shit I've been choking down lately.

The characters' motivations are clear and their behaviour is consistent with both their personalities / histories, and also with what is known about BDSM, kink culture, and kink psychology. There's no abuse happening at all - it's being led by the sub with negotiation and boundaries from the dom, there was discussion and concern about unfair power imbalances due to the work connection, and it was established that the "newbie" to BDSM had personality tendencies in this direction already and does not find kink to be disgusting or that it must be the result of some childhood trauma.

In other words, everything that is happening so far makes sense, in context.

It's very rom-comy, not erotica, and I think that helps. Trying to make her dark and foreboding as a dom would, I think, remove a lot of its charm.

It does make me miss having a puppy, though.

Some of my notes while watching it:


OTG they're so awkward! It's very endearing.

OK, her digging her red heel into his fully clothed back is so far way more erotic than every sex scene in 50 Shades combined.

Puppy play, verbal humiliation, pain, service submission, nurturing dom ... someone here has actually at the very least read about D/s and not just attended a public dungeon with play restrictions.

AFTERCARE!!!

[discussing how his last girlfriend dumped him for being into BDSM]
"Do you really enjoy all this pain and suffering?"
"It hurts ... but I still feel so alive, you know?"
"I don't get it"
[crestfallen] "It's understandable."
"I mean, if it makes the person you like feel more alive, why can't you do it for them, you know? It's not like it's anything bad."
[slow hope]
#SoMuchBetterThan50ShadesOfShit

The movie version feels very manga, without being cartoony, if that makes sense.

They are so adorkable


By the end, I felt it had remained charming the whole way through. It was very much a rom-com complete with confusion arising from not communicating and a ridiculous happy ending, but it was so very pro-kink and the leads were sweet and adorkable and endearing.

Note to all writers: this is how you write "quirky" and "relatable" characters, not by making them Hollywood pretty but having everyone else describe them as "plain" while giving them no personality but making them clumsy.  Also, don't soften a "hard" edged woman.  Not everyone who has a strong personality is using it as a wall to hide behind and keep people from getting too close, and making a woman softer and smaller is not how she finds someone to love her.  Plus, it's totally possible to be "strong" and even "hard" without being a bitch.

Also, a submissive man is not "weak".  We see the male lead here standing up to his bosses and taking control of situations when necessary but also never stepping over the women around him when he needs to be aggressive.  He supports them and uses his privileged position to make them heard, within the cultural context.

Anyone wanting to write about kink in an erotic setting where there is a conflict to overcome needs to address the idea of shame.  And unlike the current most popular example, the goal is not to reinforce the shame of the kink tendencies, but to either overcome it or to find a way to deal with social shaming in an appropriate cultural context without internalizing it.  This is a good example of one way to address shame well.
joreth: (Flogging)
2022-07-09 06:53 pm
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It All Comes Back To Kink & BDSM

It turns out that my most treasured passions are all basically one form or another of kink, as I posted about 5 years ago after a particularly exhilarating camera gig I had:

Riding the downhill side of the stagehand's version of the "performer's high". #SweetAgony

Working in entertainment is a lot like what I get out of #BDSM, now that I think about it.  Euphoric highs mixed and intermingled with physical pain, followed by utter exhaustion, and maybe an emotional crash or two, but maybe not, you just don't know until it hits.

Smiling through the sweat and the tears, anger mixed with pleasure, and the dichotomous twins of an excruciating awareness of the physical self and a simultaneous fog of floating consciousness, disconnected from the body.

#AndNowToSleepPerchanceToDream #ForOnTheMorrowAtOFuckThirtyIAwakeAgain #AVLife #backstage #StagehandKink #LivingTheDream #RockNRoll
 
joreth: (BDSM)
2022-02-16 01:33 pm
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What Is A "True Dominant"?

www.quora.com/Is-there-a-difference-between-a-dominant-and-a-true-dominant-in-a-D-s-relationship/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper

Q. Is there a difference between a dominant and a true dominant in a D/s relationship?

A.
Yes, a "true dominant" is someone who doesn’t have a fucking clue what BDSM is all about and is using the language and the culture of kink to hide behind and excuse just being an asshole.

Everyone else understands that we all have a variety of tendencies and preferences and kinks and interests, and when someone's tendencies lead mostly towards the collection of behaviours and interests that are generally categorized under the heading "dominant", they can take on that identity label if they so choose.

But anyone who tries to gatekeep what a "true dominant" is, or calls themselves that, is anything but.
joreth: (BDSM)
2020-12-27 03:12 pm

Dollar Store Brand Dominance On Tinder

Jenna Seacrist
January 31, 2019
Men who find out you’re submissive in a casual conversation and immediately start trying to assert their dollar store brand version of dominance over you are the weakest race.
Of the few guys who have bothered to read my bio on Tinder, this is basically what happens when they get to the part where I mention kink.  It doesn't even say "submissive", just "kinky".

"Oh hai, I like to tie people up and deny them orgasm, how does that sound to you?"

Not very original Alex, and not very kinky either.  Pretty entry level stuff, really.   How do YOU feel about 6 months of forced edging on a rigid schedule followed by forced orgasm by sounding while tied up in a straight jacket, and then later stripped naked and tied to a chair outdoors in a predicament bondage scenario where you have to figure out how to eat dinner surrounded by people who are all clothed and eating normally and not feeling very sorry for you at all?

Or what about humiliation play involving a forced pegging in a public dungeon?

Or some public consensual non-consent play that literally stops everyone else in the room to watch the take-down scene where two men try to rape one small woman AND MANAGE TO FAIL without her assistance?

Or how about figging?

Or wasabi nasal fisting?

Or branding?

Or electro-bullwhips?

Or having your girlfriend walk up to you while you're on the phone, putting her knee in your chest to pin you down, piercing your ear, and threading a spiral earring into the holes?

Because that's what kink looks like in my family.
joreth: (Default)
2020-12-24 08:47 pm
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What Is The Most Questionable Thing In Your Room?

www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-questionable-thing-that-could-be-found-in-your-room/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper

Q. What is the most questionable thing that could be found in your room?

A.
As mentioned elsewhere, that depends on your definition of “questionable”.
  • It could be my crossbow with the pistol grip.
     
  • It could be the targets I hang over my bed with the very tight groupings from both handguns and rifles.
     
  • It could be the hitch rings installed on the bed frame.
     
  • It could be the biohazard sticker on the metal container in the corner of the room.
     
  • It could be the tupperware container with … well, the remnants of *something* in it.
     
  • It could be the 10 gallon drum of liquid sitting at the foot of the bed.
     
  • It could be the 5-foot tall chest of drawers with sex toys in it, arranged by kink in each drawer.
     
  • It could be the 5 different bottles of cleaning chemicals sitting in the middle of the room right now.
     
  • It could be the pile of chain and rope on the floor.
     
  • It could be the giant stack of papers with the top piece showing the stamp of the city police department.
     
  • It could be the several boxes of ammunition I happened to stumble over the other day.
So, y’know, define “questionable”.
joreth: (Default)
2020-12-12 07:29 pm

What Is An Activity Your Spouse Introduced You To?

https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-activity-your-spouse-introduced-you-to/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper

Q. What is an activity your spouse introduced you to?

A.
BDSM and skepticism.  Neither are really “activities” so much as they are very large concepts.  Before I met my spouse, I had always been naturally kinky but I had no idea there was a community and a body of literature and … just and.  There is so much to BDSM!  I had no idea.  I just had these compulsions to do certain things, and I didn’t know anyone else like me, so I was muddling through it on my own and making a lot of mistakes.

Then I met my partner.  He teaches workshops in kink.  Through him I learned there were safer ways to go about exploring the things I wanted to explore, and other people who would join me on my adventures willingly and enthusiastically, and so much more about consent, about who I am as a person, about who I wanted to be, and about the intimacy and connection that can be made through kink with another person.

I actually started dating him by explicitly saying that I wanted our relationship to be a teaching one, where he introduced me to this and other things and he worked with me on certain things.  That blossomed very quickly to a relationship between equals, rather than a mentor / student one, with a deep, rich, nuanced connection that we have today.

He also introduced me to skepticism.  People think that “skeptic” means “one who doubts”, but it doesn’t. It actually comes from a Greek word for “to question”.  Skeptics question things.  They are often optimists, endlessly curious, and surprisingly hopeful.  But they are grounded in reality.

I had an awful lot of silly beliefs that I *thought* I had questioned and investigated and were sound, but they really weren’t.  He showed me how to *really* investigate, how to really explore, how to identify good sources from bad ones, and how to use the method of scientific inquiry to arrive at sound conclusions rooted in reality.  My world was literally changed and figuratively turned upside down as everything I had believed up until that point was shown to have been false, or at least misleading.

And because of that, my world actually got bigger, more colorful, more fantastical, more amazing, more detailed, and filled with more mystery and wonderment and awe than before.

My life is better because of Franklin Veaux, in measurable, tangible ways.  I am a better person because of him.  Even if we still sometimes hold differing opinions and sometimes I get to teach him a thing or two.  Maybe even because of that too.
joreth: (sex)
2020-12-12 06:10 pm

Consent Is Not Just Sexy, It Can Be Hot As Fuck

https://www.quora.com/Some-women-say-they-dont-want-a-guy-to-ask-for-permission-to-kiss-them-They-say-Just-do-it-But-the-MeToo-movement-and-current-culture-seem-to-make-it-risky-for-a-man-to-take-any-actions-without-getting-consent-How/answer/Franklin-Veaux

Consent is so difficult for some people to grasp!

So, I have a non-consent fetish. I really like rough, violent sex. I like it when it feels like my partner is so overcome with lust for me that he just takes me without regard to my feelings on the matter. My interest in violent sex waxes and wanes depending on other variables in my life. Sometimes I really don't want any violence at all and I'm totally into the whole sappy romance-with-candlelight-and-soft-focus-filter thing. But when I'm in a depressive state, my interest in violent sex is particularly strong.

I happen to be in one of those depressive states right now, while simultaneously actively looking for new partners. Which means that dating is particularly frustrating for me, because I really want that whole swept-away, passionate, lustful experience but men are just awful and I can't stand them right now because politics and depression. When some of the people on the dating apps that I'm using start right out with the kind of aggressiveness that I could have been into, I get pissed off at them. So, things are complicated for me right now.

But if I was out with someone, and there was some chemistry between us, and he did this to me ... I'd probably drop trou right there. Aggression, control, and still consent.
"lean in and whisper in someone’s ear, “You’re very attractive and I would love to kiss you, but I’m not going to unless you tell me you want it.”"
What if something like that happened at each stage?
  • "I want so bad to touch you right now, but I will not unless you tell me you want it."
  • "Tell me how much you want to stroke me, and then do it."
  • "I want to feel your heat, your wetness, I can tell you want me to, but you have to ask me for it first."
  • "You smell so good, I want to taste you. As soon as you tell me you want me to."
  • "I'm right here, about to penetrate you, but I'm not going to, unless you tell me you want it."
joreth: (BDSM)
2020-08-27 03:31 pm

A Lukewarm Review Of 50 Shades Of Abuse The Movie vs. The Book

Here's an excellent, in-depth comparison between the movie version of 50 Shades of Abuse and the books.

It's interesting because it's titled a "lukewarm defense", but I think that word "defense" is way stronger than the review justifies, even with the qualifier "lukewarm".  The movie itself was, production-wise, not terrible. But since the source material was abhorrent, saying that a movie had good cinematography isn't a "defense" of the movie. Put it on mute and just enjoy the visual imagery.  This reviewer makes some good points about how the script changes gave Ana more agency, but IMO, that only makes it more awful because nothing that happens makes any sense when the characters have agency.

But, anyway, if you can't bring yourself to read the books or see the movies, but you do have an hour to kill and want to be reasonably well informed on the subject, this is a pretty good video to watch.

My basic opinion is still the same - the books were offensive abuse-porn, the writer is an awful, awful person, and I don't care that the books brought BDSM to mainstream attention, I think it did more harm than good by romanticizing abuse without actually describing any real BDSM.  The movies were less terrible than the books mainly due to the production team fighting the author at every step to fix her fuckups and basically try to tell a different story while capitalizing on her fame, but that only makes the problem more complicated and harder to compensate for.

And, I'm [not] sorry but I cannot forgive either the books or the movies for claiming to be about BDSM when a character tells a sadist to "do your worst" and he spanks her on the ass with a belt 6 times.

For me, that's a warmup. And I'm probably one of the more vanilla people in my network.  Not to yuck anyone's yum if a little light spanking is your thing, but that's not a kinky sadist "do your worst" scene.

If you want a story about "a more worldly, experienced man takes a young, naive woman to be his wife, knows what she wants before she does, and trains her to be his sex slave" fantasy that addresses the control fetish, plays with fantasy-based non-consent and yet somehow doesn't violate consent because it establishes that the character really, deep down, likes it, and has actual, real kinky sex in it written by someone who has done actual, real kinky sex, I recommend the Training of Eileen series:

Book 1 - Elicitation https://amzn.to/2WagGr3
Book 2 - Evocation https://amzn.to/2WagKHj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzk9N7dJBec


joreth: (BDSM)
2020-07-22 07:56 pm
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How Old Were You & Your Partner When You Had Your First BDSM Experience?

www.quora.com/How-old-were-you-when-you-had-your-first-BDSM-experience-and-how-old-was-your-partner/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper

Q. How old were you when you had your first BDSM experience and how old was your partner?

A. I’m not entirely sure, how do you define BDSM?  What “counts” as kink?  For a good portion of my early sexually active years, I had no idea what kink really was and I had never heard the term “BDSM”.  It wasn’t until I started dating Franklin 14 years ago that I started deliberately exploring the term and what it meant to me.  In fact, that’s one of the reasons *why* we started dating in the first place - he was quite experienced and knowledgeable in the subject and I wanted to explore it more safely than I had been up until that point.  I asked him to guide me and explore with me, and that blossomed into the relationship we have today.

I have always been kinky.  My earliest sexual fantasies date from at least age 6 (I fantasized about a particular boy in my first grade class who moved that summer and did not return for second grade, so I had to be at least that young).  Only, at age 6, the mechanics of sex was not yet known to me, but I did fantasize about some pretty serious kink, without knowing what *that* was either.

I have always been interested in bondage, rape play, forced exhibitionism, and objectification.  As I learned more about what “sex” was, the various sexual activities I became aware of gradually made their way into my kink fantasies.  So I’m not sure when, exactly, I started experimenting with bondage and “wrestling”, because I probably incorporated light versions of it in all my sexual relationships, adding more and more recognizably kinky elements as I got older and learned about their existence.

I do have one clear memory, though.  I was, oh, maybe 16?  I had developed a friendship with a guy that included phone sex but no actual sex.  I got off on tormenting him without giving in to him.  I think he was my age, maybe a year younger.  He introduced me to his cousin, who I think was in his early 20s.

One night, I let them “convince” me to sneak out of the house and meet up with them at the guy’s house.  I spent half the night teasing them, to get them aroused enough to be open to my idea.  I told them that I liked it rough and I would only have sex with them if they “forced” me to, and that I promised not to report them for it afterwards.

So I had both of them wrestle me and try to take me down together.  Neither of them actually succeeded.  Sometime around sunrise, they finally decided that they just couldn’t beat me and were too tired to keep trying, so I went home.  I don’t think I ever saw either of them again, and I’m not sure if I talked to them again either.

This is why evidence-based sex ed that allows for discussions of pleasure, kink, and orientation and focuses on consent, is so important.  If I had access to information about consent culture and kink, I could have explored my desires in much less risky situations, without compromising myself or putting young men into such delicate situations that may have contributed to rape culture and in teaching them the wrong lessons about sex and consent.

If I could go back in time and tell my younger self about BDSM, my younger self could have had more responsible discussions with these young men about consent and fetishes and how to negotiate sexual activity without compromising integrity.

In addition to my more violent fetishes, I also have a fetish for “unusual places”, blasphemy, and the taboo.  So much of my early sexual activity took place in places not meant for sex, like my first date with my high school sweetheart where we snuck into his dojo where he worked and made out right there on the mat in the main room, in full view of the big windows, had anyone been walking around at 3 in the morning to see.  Or all the parking lots and clothing store dressing rooms.  Or the freight elevator in Ghiradelli Square, or the back of moving pickup trucks (several times).  Or literally the middle of a NYE party.  Or behind the alter during choir practice. Or…

I am also a masochist and I like being marked.  It turns out that I have a weird sense of body dysmorphia where I don't feel "complete" unless I have a bruise or visible injury of some kind.  So I really like having hickies and wrestling bruises.  I remember being in high school, probably around age 16 again, and having both sides of my neck just *black* from my ears to my shoulders from bite marks and my mother finding them underneath my hair and getting so mad that she threatened to call the cops on my boyfriend (who I think was 18 at the time).

Although, to be honest, I'm not sure if that's one memory or two getting blended together, because I seem to remember getting in trouble for something similar with another boy who I was "talking to" but who wasn't officially my "boyfriend", who was closer to my own age.  That would have been right before the other occasion, so still probably 16.

Come to think of it, I did an awful lot of exploration between when I was 15 and lost my virginity and when I had my two most significant high school relationships - my first fiance & then my high school sweetheart) - the first of whom I met when I was almost 17 and the other I started dating 3 weeks before my 18th birthday.

So, it depends on how we’re defining our terms here.  Depending on the specific definition, my age was probably pretty young, and my partner’s age depended on which partner it was - some of them were as young as I was, but some of them weren’t.
joreth: (BDSM)
2020-07-18 09:59 pm

The Kinky Polyamorous Erotica I Wish I Could Write

I'm reading 19 Weeks, a kinky erotica novel by Franklin Veaux, where a woman suspects her husband of cheating on her, so she tries to catch him in the act, and in the process, discovers that their affair turns her on. But she's still really angry about the cheating, so she finds herself confronting them when she catches them, and instead of automatically threatening him with divorce, she insists that they owe her 19 weeks of catering to her desires since they spent 19 weeks ignoring hers for their own.

The story is an emotional processing of people who make some bad choices whose consequences lead them to a surprisingly functional D/s/s relationship with the woman in charge of her husband and his "concubine", as she ends up being called.

The story is pretty hot, but I'm straight with a slight gay male fetish. So, while re-reading it today, it occurred to me that I could make a few tweaks to the story and get a tale that would appeal more to someone like me.

In my story, the woman suspects her husband of infidelity, and she hides out in the house, waiting to catch him in the act. But what she doesn't realize is that her husband's new lover is another man.

While watching them start to have sex from her hiding place with the camera she's using to collect evidence for the eventual divorce, she discovers that voyeurism of two men gets her really aroused, and through the course of the book, she's forced to confront some of her assumptions about gender roles and orientation now that she recognizes this fetish.

As she is processing her anger and her surprising arousal when she confronts the two men, instead of simply threatening her husband with divorce, she somehow ends up demanding that the two men basically become her sex slaves to make up for the fact that they started their affair with no concern to how their behaviour would affect her.

Never having any experience or exposure to the world of kink, this experiment of hers unlocks desires she didn't even know she had, and leads her to discover kinks and fetishes she never knew existed, as our diminutive protagonist doms the fuck out of two much larger men, who bow to her every wish.

Except ... one time, she makes a mistake and crosses a line. As newbies will while they learn themselves and everyone's limits. She crosses a line and, overwhelmed with all these new conflicting feelings of shame, resentment, guilt, and a surprising desire for being dominated, the men rebel at their captor and collaborate to take her down - in a scene that both frighten and arouse everyone with its intensity of pleasurable feelings.

As she discovers a new kink she not only didn't know she had but would have been horrified to think anyone could actually *like* engaging in only a few weeks before, she decides to include this new activity of the men ganging up on her into their new routine ... except it will be done at *her* pleasure from now on, as she discovers a new vocab phrase - topping from the bottom.

What will happen after the time limit is up and everyone has served their time? Will she release them and the men go off together, without her? Will she try to "save her marriage" and go back to the way things used to be once their debt is paid, leaving the Other Man discarded and alone? Or will the three of them find a balance point, now that they know that this kind of arrangement can even exist, let alone work out?

I'm sure anyone reading this can guess where I would take this story if I were writing it.

Unfortunately, I am a pretty good writer, but erotica is not my area of expertise. I would love to read this book, though.
joreth: (BDSM)
2020-05-10 01:15 am
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We're Kinky In A Heteronormative Vanilla Sort Of Way

Typical Unicorn Hunters -

Them:  "Hi, we're kinky!"

Me:  "OK, what does that actually mean though?"

Them:  "He's in charge and orders us around and I live to pleasure him."

Me:  "But, like, how?  Does he like electrical stimulation like violet wands?  Does he practice the art of aesthetic rope work called shibari?  Do you wear puppy ears and a tail butt plug and crawl around on the floor and bark at him to pet you?  Do you have a vacuum table that one of you gets sucked into a latex bag for compression and restraint?  Do either of you get hung in the air by flesh hooks piercing your skin?"

Them:  "What?  No!  I just mean that he tells me when to give him head and when to have sex and what to wear and sometimes spanks me when I talk back to him!"

Me:  "Yeah, that's not 'kinky', that's just patriarchal heteronormativity masquerading as 'kink' thanks to 50 Shades."
joreth: (Flogging)
2019-08-19 11:41 pm

Advanced Relationship Skills

Relationship Negotiation 201 -

Me: As a future local partner, you will be subjected to all kinds of movie marathons, many of which include truly terrible movies. That's just part of the relationship contract of being with me.

I probably ought to have included that in the vows, or the prenup or something.

Franklin: I think I knew that when I signed on. I suppose we could make a deal: I’ll put up with your taste in movies if you put up with the fact that I like sex that’s messy and squidgy.

Me: um... maybe bad movie watching isn't so important after all?

#WhenOppositesAttract #TheRealSecretsToASuccessfulLongTermRelationship #GiveAndTake #NoSeriouslyNotWatchingTonsOfBadMoviesWithMeIsKindaADealBreaker


Metamour Relations 302 -

Franklin: Eunice suggested this totally evil idea to torture me! She's trouble.

Me: Ooh, that sounds like fun! I think I'd like to help her with that!

Franklin: You’re terrible! That’s a terrible idea! 😮

Me: I dunno, I thought it sounded like an excellent idea. I shall have to commend Eunice on her creativity.

Franklin: ...

Franklin: That also sounds like a terrible idea. The last thing she needs is someone encouraging her.

Franklin: Wait, scratch that. The last thing I need is someone encouraging her!

Me: Positive reinforcement is an excellent bonding tool.

Franklin: Um...I’m not sure we have the same idea of bonding tools.

Me: I thought you wanted all your partners to get along with each other?

Franklin: Well, there’s getting along, and then there’s “getting along,” if you know what I mean.

Me: This is what polyamory is all about! All of your partners encouraging each other, cheering each other on, helping each other out...

Franklin: I don't recall polyamory being all about ganging up on me!

Me: Details! It's the bigger picture that's important here! All your partners like each other, communicate with each other, and cooperate with each other. See? Helping each other torture you is the pinnacle of successful polyamory!

#ThePolyFamilyThatTorturesTogetherStaysTogether #PolyRoleModels #SchemingAndPlotting #JorethControlThem! #IAmTheyAreDoingExactlyWhatIToldThemToDo! #TheAmorphousSquiggle #TheTangle #SquiggleFunTimes #ClosestKnitKitchenTableInclusiveOpenNetworkEver #WhoSaysSoloPolysDoNotHaveCloseTiesWithMetamours? #MetamoursAreTheBestPartOfPolyamory #BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor #WhenAllOfYourPartnersLikeEachOtherItDoesNotAlwaysGoSoWellForYou #OrItGoesVeryWellForYouDependingOnDefinitions
joreth: (Bad Computer!)
2019-04-01 12:11 am
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If You Don't Express Your Outrage Politely Nobody Will Ever Listen To You

Writer: [writes scathing review of 50 Shades and its abuse apologism]

Man: Nice review, but too many cuss words. Your emotions betray you. You should be able to discuss this topic calmly, or else people won't listen to you. You clearly have your own issues, so I can't take what you say too seriously. I identify with the main character, so he obviously can't be too bad, you just don't understand him.

Me: ♫ Fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker
Fuck the motherfucker
He's a fucking motherfucker...
If you don't like the swearing that this motherfucker forced from me
And reckon it shows moral or intellectual paucity
Then fuck you motherfucker
This is language one employs
When one is fucking cross about
Fuckers fucking abusing women and then making fucking money off the story by convincing everyone it's fucking "romance erotica" ...
And if you look into your motherfucking heart and tell me true
If this motherfucking stupid fucking song offended you
With it's filthy fucking language and it's fucking disrespect
If it made you feel angry go ahead and write a letter
But if you find me more offensive than the fucking abuse apologism
embedded in every word of this fucking story THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM♫


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-BJXb8E6Zo

joreth: (BDSM)
2017-02-19 07:02 pm

Why Does Christian Grey Do That? Classism In Abuse Apologism

I'm finally getting around to reading "Why Does He Do That" by Lundy Bancroft so expect lots of quotes in the next few days, and hopefully some longer blog posts if I ever get a computer again. I didn't want to wait on this one because it's relevant to the atrocity of a "kinky romance" movie whose sequel just came out.

In addition to being rape and abuse apologia, the 50 Shades trilogy is also extemely classist. Some tweet put it more succinctly, basically that this book wouldn't seem romantic at all if Christian lived in a trailer park. If a guy with tattoos and a construction job behaved like Christian, even the "soft" version in the movie, it would be glaringly obvious how controlling and manipulative he is. But give him a private jet and suddenly it's "romantic"

Bancroft addresses this very thing as early as the first section in the introduction chapter on The Mythology of abuse.

"The social stereotype of the abuser as a relatively uneducated, blue-collar male adds to the confusion. The faulty equation goes: 'Abusive equals muscle-bound caveman, which in turn equals lower class.' In addition to the fact that this image is an unfair stereotype of working-class men, it also overlooks the fact that a professional or college-educated man has roughly the same likelihood of abusing women as anyone else. A successful businessperson, a college professor, or a sailing instructor may be less likely to adopt a tough-guy image with tattoos all over his body [although that stereotype is gradually being overcome these days] but still may well be a nightmare partner.
 
Class and racial stereotypes permit the more privileged members of society to duck the problem of abuse by pretending its someone else's problem. Their thinking goes: 'It's those construction-worker guys who never went to college; it's those Latinos; it's those street toughs - they're the abusers. Our town, our neighborhood, [our class of man,] isn't like that. We're not macho men here.'
 
But women who live with abuse know that abusers come in all styles and from all backgrounds. Sometimes the more educated an abuser, the more knots he knows how to tie in a woman's brain, the better he is at getting her to blame herself, and the slicker is his ability to persuade other people that she is crazy. The more socially powerful an abuser, the more difficult it can be to escape."
This is Christian Grey. This is Hair Gropenführer. This is even my ex, who is not in the same class as the extremely wealthy, but has the social power of being a white-collar, educated, middle-class, white, likeable, social-justice-conscious, cismale.

The Orangutan-In-Chief has made the "Latino" argument explicitly. One of the reasons he wants to build his security-blanket of a wall is because he claimed that Mexicans are rapists, implying  proportionally more often than US men are. My ex uses social justice language to obfuscate and confuse his victims so that they get confused and start believing that their resistance to his control victimizes *him* and that they are the monsters.

Christian uses his money. He can afford to travel literally anywhere and with no notice or preparation to stalk his victim. He buys the company his victim works for so that her income is directly tied to pleasing him. In the movie, they gave him an excuse that he wanted to fire her "abusive" boss, but a non-controlling person would seek legal prosection means to help her, not replacing one abusive boss for another. He buys her a car against her wishes. He consistently thinks that he knows what's best for her in spite of her protestations and buys whatever he thinks she "needs" from clothes to food to transportation to her source of income, regardless of her own preferences.

He uses legalese to obfuscate his manipulation in the form of a non-disclosure contract (and again in his farce of a bdsm contract) and then uses literally the power of the law with those contracts to isolate her and prevent her from communicating outside or having an independent support system.

Healthy kinksters introducing a newbie to bdsm for the first time recommend that the n00b find a local dungeon and/or community for more resources and support during the learning process. One of the red flags in the community, or "lifestyle", is when a dom tries to be the only teaching source, often insisting that he alone is "responsible" enough to properly guide the sub. One example of an extemist who uses this tactic is a cult leader who is the sole source of wisdom (and sex or decisions about sex).

I once had an ex who insisted that only he could be trusted to recognize predators in the community, so all new subbies had to be collared by him so that any dom wanting to play with the newbie sub had to court his permission and approval, so that he could "vet" them. I've also seen "poly" men use this same excuse to infantilize their female partners saying that they have poor judgement so he needs veto power to make sure that she stays safe. Ironically, this is a warning sign that *he* is the one abusing her.

Christian also uses the "I was abused as a child" myth that Bancroft addresses in the immediately prior bullet point. This excuse pulls on a victim's compassion and makes her feel guilty for her resistance because she is then continuing to hurt an already broken person, as well as making her want to stick around to "save" him.

This book and movie trilogy would have actually made a good suspense thriller (if you excuse the poor writing). If the author wasn't such a piss-poor writer and if she hadn't gone on record multiple times defending her tripe as "romantic", I might have thought that she researched abusive relationships and used the domestic abuse checklist as a character outline. And if the Twilight author wasn't almost as shitty of writer, I might have assumed that *she* was the researcher and used the checklist that the plagerizer - er, I mean 50 Shades author just unwittingly copied into her fanfic version.

I'm not even past the introduction chapters yet and 50 Shades can already be seen in the warning signs. Abuse is about power and control. Money, education, job type, and other class markers are all ways that people obtain power. If anything, it seems like it would be MORE likely that Christian and Orangeface McTinyhands would turn out to be abusers.

Don't support the books or movies by spending money on the franchise or watching / downloading through a service that tracks its popularity like Amazon or Netflix. Don't recommend it to newbies or excuse it as a "gateway" into real kink. If you happen to be interested in the erotic fantasy of being controlled or trained, I can recommend better stories that don't neglect the subbie's consent even while she submits to a power exchange dynamic, even ones that include her resistance and him "knowing her better than she knows herself".

To put it simply (yet again), it's not the kink that makes it abuse, it's the manipulation and control, and what makes it particularly dangerous is that it relies heavily on the audience buying into the class myth of abuse. This myth is one of the tools that abusers use to gaslight their victims and convince them that they are not victims. By not taking a hard stance and speaking out against this franchise, our silence contributes directly to the culture which traps women in abusive situations. Women need to know that this is abuse so they can better recognize it when it happens to them.

He is not romantic. He is not sexy. He is not a dom. He is not a broken bird to be saved. He is not your fault. He is not exempt.

joreth: (Misty in Box)
2016-06-24 07:45 pm

Cognitive Dissonance And When Friends Are Friends With Enemies

I think I'm zeroing in on why I still get startled when I see people talking at my abusive ex (even though I've blocked him so I can't see his online activity). It's not that I'm upset that people still talk to him - it's more complex than that. It's more like ... I expected that person to be closer to me than to him so I project my own discomfort of him onto those people even though, in many cases, I wasn't actually close enough to that person for them to know enough about the story to choose "me over him".

So, here's what I mean. When he and I broke up, I lost direct contact with that entire branch of my network, even though I was *also* romantically involved with someone in that branch and had what I thought to be some very good friendships from that branch. This was mostly by my action, although I wouldn't go so far as to say it was my "choice". My abusive ex was stalking another one of his exes, with whom I was still in contact, so I and several other people on my side of the network actually blocked his entire side so that "his people" couldn't feed information to him about the ex he was stalking through our contact with that ex.

This sounds like that entire network was in some vast conspiracy to hunt down a single person, but I don't think it was like that. Maybe it was, I dunno. But I still have mixed feelings for some of those people I lost. When I see them some of them in person, I still greet them warmly. But I don't tell them anything personal or intimate about my life now. Someone once questioned me upon witnessing me hug one of them hello why I was still willing to do that but not still date or keep in contact with that person. I said something about how I didn't trust them enough to be intimate with them, but hugging isn't intimate. They thought that was weird, and after I said it, I can understand how someone else might find it odd to hug someone you don't trust.

But, the point is that I knew those people were going to side with him - that's not exactly true, they were going to either side with him on certain specific things or they were going to abstain from taking sides on certain other specific things which *effectively* put them on "his side", given the details of those things. I knew that. I know the dynamic of that group. That's partly why I had to block them too, because I knew that they did not find what happened between us worthy of siding against him. So, when I see one of them out somewhere, it doesn't surprise me or, well, "trigger" used to be an appropriate word but I'm much less effected by his memory now so I don't know if it applies, but it doesn't do that to me when I am reminded that people in that group are still actively in contact with him.

I've long since gotten over my disappointment that they didn't find his behaviour worthy of "breaking up" with him too, and I don't actually feel that abusers need to be left completely isolated and alone. There was an excellent blog post by Shea Emma Fett (whose blog is now taken down but there is a wayback link at http://web.archive.org/web/20160211074648/http://emmfett.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-community-response-to-abuse.html) about how abusers *need* friends, but they need friends who can hold them accountable, and we need to find a path to reintegrate people back into our communities after accountability has been held. Otherwise, all we do is shove wolves out to find some other flocks to prey on (www.morethantwo.com/blog/2015/02/thoughts-community-abuse), only now they're also resentful on top of their entitlement that led them to abuse in the first place.

Please note that "reintegrating back into our communities" is not a statement on what any specific individual victim ought to do with regards to their abuser. I'm not saying that victims can't make their own choices as to who they allow into their lives, but broader communities need to have different standards and tactics (which I am not personally always able to uphold but I still believe in).

So, back to the point - I'm not bothered that my ex has friends, aside from my early disappointment of losing those same people as friends back when it happened. I *am* bothered that they don't seem to be holding him accountable, but the mere act of there existing people who like him isn't what's bothering me when I get that twinge when I see his name @replied to online. That surprise I feel is always "how can you still be friends with him after what he did to other people?", but now I can see that it's more than that. It's that, but ALSO it's "you're supposed to be MY friend!" and it's also "don't you know about this thing?"

The problem is that A) no, they probably don't know that thing because I don't name him when I talk about him publicly. So if they're not one of my in-person, RL friends who I am close enough to confide in about abuse, then there's a good chance that they don't know who I'm referring to when I say "my abusive ex", even though they're also friends with him. And B) because I haven't confided in them, that means that they're not close enough to "take sides", and consequently to take *my* side.

It's true that several of my communities are pretty gung ho on the "always believe the victim" policy right now, but that's much easier to say when all the people in question are internet-friends or famous people or are otherwise not someone one currently thinks of in intimate terms. I'm not even going back on that policy and saying that we shouldn't. But I am saying that personal emotions and social nuances make things complicated in the minds of individuals and it's not fair to tell other people when to stop being friends with someone when there are all these other influences regarding social ties or intimate connections.

So I'm saying that these twinges are a result of a contradiction, of a dissonance in my head between social justice policies and personal expectations. One the one hand, there's the "burn the abuser at the stake!" anger, while on the other hand there's the "hold them accountable and that requires not shunning them out of the community" compassion (that I am still not very good at).  One the one hand there's "how can you still talk to him, I thought you were my friend?" while on the other hand there's "oh, right, we're just acquaintances and you don't know my side of the story".

There's no real point to this. There's no deep lesson to learn from this, no "here's how you can be a better person" morality tale. Just uncovering a little more nuance into my own psyche for my own benefit (hopefully).

* see also http://polyweekly.com/2015/01/pw-418-emotional-abuse/
joreth: (BDSM)
2016-03-05 08:53 pm

If You Liked Or Hated 50 Shades, Read This Instead

I don't have time for a full book review, but if you liked 50 Shades of Grey, then read The Training of Eileen series. If you hated 50 Shades because of its abuse romanticism but like female sub fantasy porn, read The Training of Eileen series by William Vitelli (on Amazon and Symtoys). It's literally the 50 Shades plot (rich man takes naive young woman to wife & trains her as his sex slave) without the, y'know, abuse. There are *so many* books with this exact same plot and no abuse that exist, this is just one that I happened to come across that I enjoyed reading.

BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN D/S AND ABUSE.

YES EVEN WITH THE SPANKING AND PUNISHMENTS AND SHAME THERE IS STILL A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN D/S AND ABUSE.


Throughout the series, we are given tantalizing hints and outright evidence that the sub *wants* to be trained as a sex slave, she just doesn't know it yet. This is not the misogynistic fantasy that all women want their husbands to dominate them, this is a genuine interest in submission that a more experienced Dom recognizes and indulges because A) he wants to; and B) she wants him to and he wants to provide a safe place for her unrealized fantasies. It's that part B that makes it not abuse and not misogynistic.

There is no "you will be my sex slave because I am damaged and only damaged people like hitting their lovers." There is no "you will be my sex slave because I'm the man and I will stalk you into submission." There is no "I am rich therefore my coercion is charming and above the law." There is no "ooh, look, it's a belt, that's so kinky!" There is no fucking inner goddess doing back flips and hula dancing or subconsciousness whispering anything. And there is no "I'm a good girl who doesn't believe in all this kinky sex stuff but I love you so I will save you from yourself and your damage and make you see the value in vanilla sex" bullshit.

This is good ol' "I like hurting and humiliating and dominating people who like to be hurt and humiliated and dominated, and you like being hurt and humiliated and dominated, therefore I will hurt and humiliate and dominate you with actual kinky sex and toys and tools and evil ideas because we both like it" fantasy porn.

Disclaimer: this story is basically heterocentric, which is actually why I'm recommending it. 50 Shades was wildly popular because there is something in the fantasy of a young, innocent girl being dominated by a more experienced man that speaks to a lot of people. I want to provide an alternative to that series by offering a story that has, basically, the same plot to appeal to the same people who liked 50 Shades, so that they can see the difference between a healthy D/s relationship *even under fantasy conditions* vs. an abusive one.

I'm sure there are plenty of books with more diversity, more queer-focus, more all kinds of things that are worth promoting. Perhaps even more important to promote. But I'm making a very particular point with this promotion - that for all the millions of people who got something out of 50 Shades, there's nothing wrong with you having that kind of fantasy, just that there are healthier ways to express it and here is one better way.

Most of the anti-50 Shades reviews I read are from people who are not actually into kink, so they have to make a bunch of disclaimers about how "kink isn't bad, even though I don't get it". But when they're not into kink themselves, it makes it difficult to explain to similarly-new-to-kink readers why 50 Shades is bad but they're totally not kink-shaming, no really, they're not, they just don't get it but their bestie who is a pro-Domme promises that there's a difference.

So I'm here to say, as someone who is definitely into some pretty disturbing kinky shit (although still pretty "vanilla" compared to my kinky friends), I really, truly am not kink-shaming and it really is OK to fantasize about D/s even when it's heterocentric male Dom / female sub and even when it's "she just doesn't know she likes being dominated yet but this handsome wealthy man will show her what she likes", but that 50 Shades DOES NOT GET THIS FANTASY RIGHT. It romanticizes abuse, and there is a difference. Here is an example that is not abusive, and yet it's still fantasy (i.e. people never have bowel problems or headaches or weight issues or disabilities when it's inconvenient for the story) to indulge in. Porn does not have to be so realistic that it's a turn-off in order to be respectful. You can still have fantastic elements that wouldn't be appropriate in real life (as the defenders of 50 Shades argue) and yet still not romanticize abuse or misogyny (the good girl will save the damaged man with her love myth).
joreth: (BDSM)
2015-10-20 04:26 am
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Will You Take Away My Agency, I Mean Be My Mistress?

Dating Site Dude: Will you be my Mistress?

Me: What does that mean for you?

DSD: I dunno, like, be in control of stuff.

Me: What do you want me to be in control of?

DSD: Um...

Me: Do you want me to control what you eat? Tell you what to wear? Act like your mom and tell you to get off the Xbox and do your chores? Direct your career choices? Humiliate you? Do you want me to be in control of you in public? Just for a scene in a dungeon? All the time?

DSD: Tell me what to eat? WTF? No, I know how to feed myself! You're the Domme, you're supposed to come up with these things!

Me: Oh, I see. You've been reading 50 Shades. In the real world, it doesn't work like that. See, in *healthy* D/s relationships, the Dom might be the one crafting the scene, but the subbie is an equal agent in this collaboration and is required to provide the parameters. That's how the Dom knows what kind of scene to come up with and what things are off-limits.

DSD: Off limits? But you're supposed to dominate me! That doesn't make any sense if there are things I can tell you not to do!

Me: Oh, sweetie, if you think it's safe to give me complete and total freedom to do whatever I want with you without discussing limits and boundaries, you have a profoundly limited imagination. I guaran-fucking-tee you that I can come up with things that you will not want me to do. It's best that you decide what those things are *before* I do them to you.

DSD: But if I can tell you not to do something and you have to obey me, then you're not really in control of me!

Me: Give this boy a gold star! That's the difference between healthy D/s and 50 Shades. D/s is a mutually beneficial relationship between two (or more) individuals who all want to be there, choose to be there, and consent to every single activity that happens. The control is illusory. If you can't say no, then it's not consent, it's abuse, assault, and / or rape. That's what makes D/s a healthy expression of one's sexuality and not abuse - the ability to consent and to revoke consent.

DSD: But I'm consenting! That's the whole reason why I contacted you!

Me: You still haven't told me what you are consenting TO which, by inference, tells me what you're NOT consenting to.

DSD: I'm consenting to you controlling me!

Me: Do you mean that you plan to just stand there motionless while I position your body? What do you want me to control? And what happens when you try to resist my control or fail in your assignments? How am I supposed to punish you?

DSD: Now we're getting somewhere! Yes, punishment!

Me: But how? Impact punishment? Humiliation? Restraint? Silent treatment? Predicament scenarios? Erection torture? Forced delayed orgasm? Chastity devices?

DSD: I dunno, come up with something!  I don't even know what all that is!  You're the Domme!

Me: And here we go 'round again. If you can't understand the difference between abuse and consent, if you don't know how to maintain your own agency, then you are not safe to play with in a power exchange dynamic. You are unable to give consent.

Unlike Ana and Christian, a good Dom isn't in the relationship to work out anger and resentment at maternal figures of their past whether the victim likes it or not. A good Dom is an artist, crafting a scene like a playwright, designing the setting and costumes and dialog for their protege, their ingenue, their star. The "play" becomes the masterpiece intended to highlight and showcase the *star's* unique talents.  The star isn't acting exclusively for the playwright, the playwright is writing *for the star* and the star gets to stretch their skills, abilities, or interests.

But the Dom / playwright can't do that if they don't know anything about their sub / star. Are they a singer so they should craft an opera? Are they a comic so they should craft a comedy? What kind of comedy - high brow? slapstick? If this isn't a collaboration with the star being allowed to give input, telling the playwright and director when they feel uncomfortable, when they feel the character might do something different from what's written in the script, when they feel that their creativity is worn thin and they need a break to rejuvenate before they can bring their A-game back to the stage, when they have an idea of their own to add to the character or the dialog or the setting or the costuming - when the star isn't allowed to give that kind of input, then we have the sort of abuse we see in Phantom of the Opera. And look how well that turned out for everyone!

Power exchange only sounds like it goes in one direction to those who don't understand that it's an EXCHANGE. While the subbie agrees to voluntarily give up control in certain ways, they ultimately retain their agency and complete autonomy - that's what makes it not abuse. They have the right to say no at any time to any action, they have the responsibility of setting the limits, and they have the freedom to renegotiate the boundaries and details of the arrangement at any time in order to get more out of the experience.

While it's true that Doms do, indeed, get something out of being "in control", the sub is who drives the arrangement. If the subbie ain't happy, it ain't healthy. D/s is as much for the sub (if not more) as for the Dom. It's an equal partnership. You may be taking on complimentary roles, but both roles are equally important and equally present. A good Dom might very well enjoy controlling another human being, but a good Dom also takes pride in crafting excellent scenes that leave the sub feeling satisfied and content with the arrangement - sometimes even more than whatever that feeling of "controlling" might give them. And for that, the sub has to contribute, and has to retain their agency.

Which is why this is not like 50 Shades, why that whole series needs to drown out of our culture and be seen for the abusive apologia that it is, and why you are not currently capable of consenting to a D/s relationship and I will not even consider you as a sub until you can at least give some parameters to start with.

The sub may be "dominated" by their Mistress, but they also hold all the power over their own body and mind, D/s illusion to the contrary. Once that agency is relinquished, it is no longer D/s and it becomes abuse.
joreth: (Purple Mobius)
2015-08-08 02:25 pm

What Do I Commit To In Poly Relationships If Not Sexual Fidelity? - Support

www.theinnbetween.net/polycommitments.html
* I am committed to supporting my partners in being the best version of themselves that they can be.
This one took a couple of revisions to get it the way I liked it. I tried something along the lines of "accepting my partners for who they are", but that led to either being resistant to desired change on their part or to accepting real, problematic flaws that need to be worked on and improved. An interesting bit of trivia about my and Franklin's relationship is that I originally first considered dating him for the purpose of improving myself. I had just read about the concept of New Paradigm Relationships, which advocated using our interpersonal relationships as vehicles for personal growth. I had also just become aware of BDSM and kink, and I was doing a lot of self-analysis and discovering some rather toxic and inhibiting behaviours of my own that I wanted to get rid of. I am deliberate in all things. When my phobia of spiders started negatively influencing my daily life, I decided to stop being afraid of spiders. When I recognized a terror of falling, I rode a free-fall ride in which I had to pull my own rip cord and cause myself to go into the fall. When I finally recognized that I had panic attacks, I chose to not have them anymore. Not everyone can do this, and I can't even do it for everything, but I am deliberate in who I am, so I do what I can to live with intention.

So when I decided that I was inherently kinky but had no idea how to explore it safely and that I had some relationship fears that were preventing me from experiencing a larger range of happiness in my relationships, and I met Franklin who was skilled in just those things, I told him that I was interested in dating him for the purpose of working on those issues with his help. What followed was a decade-long relationship (as of today) that is the healthiest relationship I've ever been in and the eradication or reduction of exactly those inhibitions that I felt were hampering my relationships. Dating Franklin has made me a better person and I'm very different in some key ways than I was 10 years ago, some ways I didn't even anticipate or set out to change. So I really don't want to cut off avenues, even implicitly, for personal growth in my partners. I want to encourage their growth.

But at the same time, related to the previous point, I can't stand the popular romantic ideal "I love you, now change". So when I rejected "accepting my partners for who they are", I considered something like "promoting growth and accepting change". But that led me too closely to "I love you, now change". I don't want to push my partners into being my ideal for them. I don't want a Pygmalion project. I don't view my partners as fixer-uppers and I most certainly don't want them to view me as such. So I ultimately came up with this phrasing that I hope will reinforce two conflicting relationship goals - to accept my partners for who they are without trying to change them into something that I want them to be; and to encourage and support growth and change without letting fear of the outcome of that change lead me to restricting them from things that are in their best interests (but not necessarily mine).
joreth: (Bad Computer!)
2015-02-20 07:37 pm

Why I Get So Angry At 50 Shades Defenses (aka You People Should Know Better)

I think I might be zeroing in on why it pisses me off so much that people are defending 50 Shades.  This is still rough, but I think I'm getting closer to what's wrong with these defenses.  I've been spending a lot of time learning how to support abuse victims over the last couple of years.  Over and over, the message to victim supporters is "just listen, and accept".  Believe victims, listen to them, accept their story.  You don't have to "take sides" by accusing the abuser or doing anything active against the abuser.  You can even reserve some empathy and support for the alleged abuser.  The important part is that you make a safe space for the victim to heal and to feel.

In all the various rants and criticisms of 50 Shades, what I'm hearing is pain.  Sometimes it's from abuse victims being triggered, and sometimes it's from people who feel such empathy that they feel fear and pain on behalf of all the women who have been abused or who will experience abuse because of the rape culture that 50 Shades contributes to (or, as in the 2 articles I read recently, the abuse and murder of women that were directly linked to 50 Shades).

So, here I am, being told that we need to hear victims and to listen to people's pain and to support them, on one hand.  But on the other hand, when it comes to 50 Shades, I hear "oh, lighten up, it's just a book!" and "geez, don't take things so seriously, it's FICTION for fuck's sake!" and "c'mon, nobody REALLY believes this, so just back off and stop making me feel bad for getting turned on by something that other people are afraid of" with a handful of Dear Muslima responses thrown in (in reference to Dawkins' famous reply basically suggesting that there are worse problems in the world so we shouldn't waste any time talking about the less-worse problems until the worse ones are solved).

In other words, all the defenses of 50 Shades sound exactly like rape apologism.  But, more than that, there are people who are trying to say "this hurts me and this hurts others", and yet people, even those who are normally right there on the support-the-victims side, people are hearing those cries of pain and dismissing them out of hand.

As with polyamory, not having a One Right Way does not necessarily mean that there are also no Wrong Ways.  Some things are morally wrong, some things are factually wrong, some things are less likely to succeed than other methods and therefore "wrong".

And a story that romanticizes abuse, as opposed to a story that simply tells of abuse, is wrong.  So is opposing all those voices crying out in pain.  It's OK to enjoy problematic media.  It's not OK to silence and dismiss criticism of that media, and it's especially not OK to dismiss the cries of abuse that the media is triggering.



This is a comment I made on the FB post for this blog piece.  I'm still trying to find the right words to express what's in my head about this, and the following comment got me another step closer, so I'm adding it to this post:


This revelation is coming from a different angle [from the usual criticisms that 50 Shades is how actual abusers break down their victims which is being touted as "romantic" instead of dangerous], and I'm still teasing it out. I'm seeing a lot of defenses of 50 Shades coming from people who are usually right there on my side in the domestic violence discussions. But when it comes to the book, they suddenly switch sides.

And I think what's niggling at my brain is that this is more than just the standard rape apologism rearing it's ugly head. This is the book itself doing harm, and the defenders aren't being rape apologists for real, but it's as if the *book* is the "abuser" itself and its victims are crying out through their book reviews and criticisms, and people who normally fight against rape culture are now defending *the book* as if the book was an abuser that they are desperately trying to ignore is an abuser simply because it's popular and they don't want to lose access to it.

Like, in the kink community when all those rape accusations started coming out a few years ago. A bunch of people defended the rapists because they were leaders in the community, and if you cut off ties to the rapist, then you couldn't go to the awesome bondage parties anymore because the rapist was the only one with a dungeon who threw parties. So people refused to "take sides" or support the victims, and defended the rapists because they stood to lose something socially if they did so.

The defenses of this book are feeling like the exact same thing. People who are totally in favor of SSC or RACK (Safe, Sane, & Consensual or Risk Aware Consensual Kink for those reading this & who don't know) nevertheless defended rapists in the community because the rapists provided stuff that the defenders didn't want to lose access to, so they did the usual sorts of rationalizations that people do when they're invested in a concept and need to hold onto it in order to protect their investment.  I'm sure many of those rape defenders absolutely believed their own arguments, but they were still doing well-known and well-understood logical fallacies, rationalizations, and other mental gymnastics to avoid facing the fact that someone they knew, trusted, perhaps liked and probably needed for something, did a Bad Thing.  It even has a name - the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

The defenders of this book, who are normally supporters of abuse victims, are defending the book in much the same way, where the book has "abused" people and the victims & supporters are crying out, but the defenders don't want to lose their precious jerk-off story or examine their own attachment to unhealthy relationship patterns, so they're dismissing the cries of pain from those who are feeling harmed by the book.



Hypothesis: Some defenses of 50 Shades may be an example of a Sunk Cost Fallacy, where people dig in their heels to defend something they are invested in, resulting in treating the book in the same way one might treat an accused abuser that one wants to deny is an abuser (usually when one receives something beneficial from association with the accused abuser, such as social status, access to social events, even love or a relationship) and dismissing claims of harm from its victims and victim-supporters.
joreth: (BDSM)
2015-02-19 06:43 pm

"And Now [That I've Seen The Movie,] I'm Embarrassed That I Ever Joked About [50 Shades]"

http://www.mamamia.com.au/rogue/fifty-shades-of-grey-review-rosie-waterland/

I've seen a lot, and I mean A LOT, of strawman arguments that it's insulting and overly simplistic to claim that people are too stupid to realize that 50 Shades is fantasy and fiction and that we shouldn't be worried about its impact on society, especially considering the mountains of other material contributing to rape culture in our society.

First of all, it's a strawman because no one is saying that anyone is "too stupid" to know the difference. We're saying that it reinforces an already-existing set of cultural tropes that lead people into abusive situations because we are not told that these situations are abusive. One does not have to be "stupid" to find oneself in an abusive situation. One only has to be unaware of the warning signs, and that's most people. Even people who have been in abusive relationships don't know all the warning signs, and many think that their experience is the ONLY version that counts. I've seen a lot of abuse victims say "I've been in an abusive relationship, and this wasn't it!"

Hell, I've said that myself. Except I said that about a real situation. And that's exactly the problem. I was in an abusive relationship. So I thought I knew what abuse looked like. And when someone else's different abusive situation was presented to me, I, with all my sociology experience and alternative relationship experience and feminist views, I looked right at that relationship and said "I've been in an abusive relationship, and this one isn't the same, therefore it's not abuse." I am deeply ashamed of that now. I could have been a source of support. Instead, I was an enabler.

So, fuck you for saying this movie is no big deal. It is. Not because people are too stupid. Because abuse is that big, that complex, and that difficult to identify.

Second, the reason why we're singling this story out over that aforementioned mountain of material contributing to rape culture is because it's currently the one getting the most positive press, the most defense, and making the most money from deliberately obfuscating, dare I say "blurring the lines", between romance and domestic abuse. Unlike some other examples given, this one is being held up as something to aspire to, whereas most of the other examples (Game of Thrones, just to name one) are depicting graphic violence but not idealizing or romanticizing the graphic violence.

IT'S NOT THE GRAPHIC VIOLENCE that's the problem. It's the ACCEPTANCE of the violence as romance, as desirable, as masking it behind a subculture that already has trouble being understood and accepted in society that's the problem.  Remember, I participate in consensual non-consent, and I do so without a safeword.  I became a weekend sensation one year at Frolicon because of a take-down scene involving me and my two male partners trying to rape me in the dungeon, and I fought so hard that they actually couldn't succeed without my deliberate assistance.  I've been exploring rape fantasies since before puberty.  This is NOT ABOUT THE KINK, it's about actual domestic violence, manipulation, and emotional abuse.

"But I screwed up. I screwed up big time. I went into this film thinking it would be two hours of B-grade hilarity about bondage that I could make fun of. It was actually two hours of incredibly disturbing content about an emotionally abusive relationship that left me really, really shaken. And now I’m embarrassed that I ever joked about it."

"And my opinion was, well, if they’re two consenting adults, and being tied up and slapped is their thing, then what’s the big deal? But I had no idea that Fifty Shades of Grey isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about an incredibly disturbing and manipulative, emotionally abusive relationship."

"And let me be clear to the women who are incredibly defensive of the book that gave them a sexual awakening: When I talk about domestic abuse, I’m not talking about the sex. In fact, I considered the sex to be the least offensive part of the movie."

"Because as I was sitting in that cinema last night, I was completely floored by what I was watching. And by what millions of women had accepted as a relationship to aspire to."

"It’s emotional abuse disguised as a ‘naughty sex contract’. It’s domestic violence dressed up as sexy fantasy.

And it’s a genius, subtle move. Putting this kind of controlling, emotionally abusive relationship in the context of a sexy billionaire who just needs to be loved, makes it ridiculously easy to convince audiences the world over that this kind of behaviour is okay. He’s not some poor drunk with a mullet, hitting his wife for not doing the dishes. Christian is classy. Rich. Educated. He’s not what most women imagine an abuser to be, and his kind of abuse is not what most women would immediately recognise."

"The blurred lines in this film mean any kind discussion about abuse can be easily shut down by those determined to be obtuse because they like the sexy blindfolds.

But there is no doubt in my mind that the film I watched last night was a disturbing and clear depiction of a controlling and emotionally abusive relationship. This was domestic violence. I don’t care how many women learned to embrace sex because of Fifty Shades of Grey. THIS WAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE."

"This was domestic abuse marketed as Valentine’s Day fun."