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  <pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:06:29 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Is There Commitment In A Polyamorous Relationship?</title>
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  <description>&lt;div align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.quora.com/Is-there-commitment-in-a-polyamorous-relationship/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.quora.com/Is-there-commitment-in-a-polyamorous-relationship/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q.  Is there commitment in a polyamorous relationship?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A.&lt;/strong&gt;  I always find it weird and disturbing that people seem to think that sexual exclusivity is the ONLY thing people can commit to, when it&apos;s is CLEARLY not the only thing that they commit to in their own relationships.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have any question at all about how polyamorous people commit to each other without sexual exclusivity, I have to wonder what your monogamous relationships look like.&amp;nbsp; Did your wedding vows consist entirely of &amp;quot;I promise to never let anyone else see or touch my genitals&amp;quot; and nothing else?&amp;nbsp; Does your relationship not have any sort of promises or agreements or desires to be there for each other, support each other, encourage each other, through sickness and in health, richer or poorer, good times and bad?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can you honestly not think of a single thing that people can commit to each other that doesn&apos;t have to do with sex?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;ve written an entire page detailing all the kinds of things that I commit to in my relationships.&amp;nbsp; It&apos;s true, some of them may not be the kinds of things that you would commit to, maybe haven&amp;rsquo;t even thought about it, or maybe you choose to commit to other things that I don&apos;t.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;rsquo;m not saying that every single person commits to exactly the same things as every other person.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;m saying that the notion that sexually non-exclusive people can&amp;rsquo;t be &amp;quot;committed&amp;quot; to each other because of that lack of sexual exclusivity is either a shocking lack of imagination on your part or you are being disingenuous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because if I turn the question around to you, and ask you what could you possibly commit to that isn&apos;t sexual exclusivity, I know that you will have some answers of things that you commit to in your relationships that don&apos;t involve your genitals.&amp;nbsp; So you KNOW there are other things to commit to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&amp;rsquo;re just not applying them to us.&amp;nbsp; But we&apos;re people too, and our relationships are every bit as real as yours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.TheInnBetween.net/polycommitments.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.TheInnBetween.net/polycommitments.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=451675&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 22:42:01 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>You Cannot Consent If You Cannot Say No</title>
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  <description>&lt;div align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;I don&apos;t know why this is so difficult for some people to grasp.  If you are unable to say &amp;quot;no&amp;quot;, then your &amp;quot;yes&amp;quot; is meaningless.&amp;nbsp; If you *&lt;em&gt;need&lt;/em&gt;* to stay with someone - you are financially tied to them and can&apos;t untie yourself, you are emotionally or physically threatened, the thought of not being with them is the worst thing you can possibly think of including being alone - then you can&apos;t really give consent to the relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are free to leave a relationship, then choosing to stay is much more meaningful than being forced to stay by circumstances, emotional chains, or power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I&apos;m going to say this slowly because it&apos;s apparently a VERY difficult concept:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This. does. not. mean. that. people. who. are. free. to. leave. a. relationship. and. choose. to. stay. do. not. commit. to. their. partners.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For some reason, some people hear &amp;quot;I am free to leave a relationship because there is no power forcing me to remain, yet I choose to stay because I am happy here and I love my partner&amp;quot;, and translate it as &amp;quot;eh, I&apos;m here because I have nothing better to do, but I don&apos;t have any commitments or expectations or intentions to stick around and if literally anything slightly more interesting comes along, I&apos;m outta here.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&apos;s like, in BDSM, some people engage in power exchanges.&amp;nbsp; No, let me talk about something that&apos;s actually one of my own kinks:&amp;nbsp; Bondage.&amp;nbsp; I like being restrained under certain circumstances.  I am literally being held by force.&amp;nbsp; Except it&apos;s an illusion.&amp;nbsp; At any point, I can tell the person tying me up that I don&apos;t want to be tied up anymore, and my partners are trustworthy enough that they will instantly release me (if I couldn&apos;t release myself - one of my superpowers is that my hands are almost the same size as my wrists so I can slip out of most restraints if I really want to).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I&apos;m here for the experience of being restrained.&amp;nbsp; I&apos;m in it until the end.&amp;nbsp; Unless something goes wrong, I&apos;m committed to sharing this experience.&amp;nbsp; I prepared for it.&amp;nbsp; I recognize that this may trigger some difficult emotional processing (for either of us), that there may be injuries, that shit may hit the fan and I&apos;m here for that too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if things get *&lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt;* bad, if they cross boundaries, if they go *&lt;em&gt;wrong&lt;/em&gt;*, not just challenging or difficult, I can leave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I make a lot of commitments to my partners.&amp;nbsp; I quite often stick around, often enough past the point where I should have left.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;My partners aren&apos;t disposable.&amp;nbsp; They&apos;re not replaceable.&amp;nbsp; They&apos;re not interchangeable.&amp;nbsp; They&apos;re not *&lt;em&gt;convenient&lt;/em&gt;*.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But I still have the ability to leave.&amp;nbsp; And yet, I have chosen not to in many cases.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a False Dichotomy and a Straw Man, perhaps even a Motte &amp;amp; Bailey switcheroo.&amp;nbsp; It&apos;s not *&lt;em&gt;either&lt;/em&gt;* &amp;quot;you have the autonomy to leave a relationship&amp;quot; OR &amp;quot;you have commitments to your partners&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; Those are are not opposing things on a single scale, they&apos;re two different axes in the giant complicated chart that makes up all of any given relationship.&amp;nbsp; I&apos;d even argue that having the freedom to leave and choosing not to actually enables you to better live up to your commitments because you&apos;re not being forced against your will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am with my partners, committed to the various things that I commit to, such as operating in good faith, trusting that we are on the same team, supporting them, being there for them, sharing the joys and the trials of life together as *&lt;em&gt;partners&lt;/em&gt;*, precisely because I don&apos;t *&lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt;* to be, BUT I CHOOSE TO BE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My mom held a job for something like 15 years because she *&lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt;* to.&amp;nbsp; She lived up to her obligations - she performed her job to the best of her ability and she did the things she had promised to do when she got hired for the job.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But she was miserable.&amp;nbsp; She hated her job and hated her boss.&amp;nbsp; Her boss did not value her and often made her job needlessly more difficult.&amp;nbsp; They did not have a fax machine, for example, because he felt more traditional methods of communication were better.&amp;nbsp; She had to walk down the hall to another company&apos;s office to fax invoices and other correspondence that needed to be faxed.&amp;nbsp; She told me once how humiliated she felt at having to beg fax time from another company.&amp;nbsp; He would have still had her keeping the books in a literal ledger if he could have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After several years of watching her misery, we (her family) finally convinced her to look for another job.&amp;nbsp; She resisted because she felt that she had to stay - she made a &amp;quot;commitment&amp;quot; to work for this employer, she needed to help provide for her family, etc.&amp;nbsp; The threat of poverty is a pretty strong motivator and forces many of us to do a lot of things we would rather not do, some of which actually compromise our values and our integrity and our sense of self.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So her best friend told her about a job opening at her own place of employment and we all pushed her into applying.&amp;nbsp; The job was a stretch for her - she had no computer skills thanks to her employer, and she had wicked low self-esteem thanks to her boss telling her that she wasn&apos;t worthy of anything more than being a &amp;quot;secretary&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; But we encouraged and we supported and she told her boss she had a dentist appointment one day and went downtown to apply for the job.&amp;nbsp; She got called for an interview, and a follow up interview, and she eventually got hired.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the first job she applied for after taking the leap to leave and find another job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She was terrified and nearly turned down the offer.&amp;nbsp; She just did not feel that she could leave.&amp;nbsp; But she did.&amp;nbsp; She went to work for this other company, and learned a whole bunch of new skills and made a whole bunch of new friends, and 20 years later she finally retired from a job that she felt brought her happiness and growth but that she was ready to leave and join her husband in retirement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once she left the abusive job, and she learned some skills and gained some self-worth, she worked for 2 decades at a job that she felt she *&lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt;* leave if she needed to because she had already left one job and the world did not end for her.&amp;nbsp; In fact, it got better.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;So she had the freedom to leave her new job, but she chose not to because it was a job that she felt happy and satisfied in.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;She threw herself into that job, often working overtime and taking on duties that weren&apos;t hers just to help out and generally contributed to a successful company and productive work environment.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And after she retired, her company begged her to come back when the person who replaced her went on maternity leave because she was so valuable to the company.&amp;nbsp; So she did - on a part-time, temporary basis, but she still did.&amp;nbsp; And she will leave again when her contract is up.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;She *&lt;em&gt;committed&lt;/em&gt;* to this job - to doing her best, to working in the company&apos;s best interest, to providing a salary for her family, but this time without compromising her integrity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This freedom to leave was part of a general attitude on behalf of both her and the company that allowed her to truly commit to the job, rather than being forced to do the job that she left as soon as she could.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;My mother, for all our differences, is an amazing woman who imparted many of my values and ethics on how to relate to people.&amp;nbsp; She has had the opportunity to leave a variety of situations over the years, yet she chose to stay because *&lt;em&gt;that&apos;s what commitment is&lt;/em&gt;*.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now she sits, in the sunset of her life, deliriously in love with her husband, in complete adoration of her grandkids, with a long career and strong bonds with her coworkers behind her and two adult daughters who credit her with instilling the values we are most proud about ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having freedom of autonomy does not mean having no commitments.&amp;nbsp; It&apos;s *&lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt;* we are able to truly commit to relationships.&amp;nbsp; Because we are not forced to remain in unhealthy, toxic relationships, our commitments actually mean something.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;If someone were to slap me across the face because someone else held a gun to their head and made them, I wouldn&apos;t hold the person who slapped me accountable.&amp;nbsp; They had no choice.&amp;nbsp; That slap doesn&apos;t *&lt;em&gt;mean&lt;/em&gt;* anything coming from them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if they slapped me because they *&lt;em&gt;wanted&lt;/em&gt;* to, then it would fucking mean something and you&apos;d be damn sure I&apos;m going to hold them accountable for it.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;That&apos;s a negative example of basically the same thing.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Actions taken when there is no choice but to take them render the decision to do them meaningless.&amp;nbsp; Actions taken when you have a choice imbue them with meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My partners choosing to stay with me and honor their commitments to me gives those commitments *&lt;em&gt;meaning&lt;/em&gt;*.&amp;nbsp; Choosing to stay when they actually do have a choice does not negate their ability to make commitments, it makes their choice to honor the commitments more meaningful.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;And the people who think that there is no power imbalance, and therefore no consent violation, when one&apos;s ability to leave is restricted frighten me.&amp;nbsp; These people also tend to view having free will and choosing to exercise it as being &amp;quot;broken&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; That is a direct quote from a conversation I just read.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Considering that my abusive ex also feels this way, I shouldn&apos;t be at all surprised at how fucked up this is.&amp;nbsp; He literally thinks that it is a broken worldview to believe that having the freedom to leave a relationship and choosing not to leave makes for more ethical relationships.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;And I&apos;m dumbstruck as to how I could have possibly missed this attitude before we started dating and horrified that I was ever with him at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what&apos;s more horrifying is how many people who I once considered friends or close relationships of some sort also hold this position.&amp;nbsp; There are an awful lot of reasonably intelligent, rational people out there who don&apos;t believe you should have any autonomy in your relationships, who don&apos;t see how coercive the lack of freedom in a relationship is, and who think this freedom / lack of freedom / consent / non-consent issue is an either/or with the ability to make commitments in interpersonal relationships.&amp;nbsp; That, somehow, making a commitment *&lt;em&gt;means&lt;/em&gt;* that you no longer have the freedom to leave, and that *&lt;em&gt;this is a good thing&lt;/em&gt;* because otherwise people would just up and leave whenever.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And they think that *&lt;em&gt;I&apos;m&lt;/em&gt;* the &amp;quot;broken&amp;quot; one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just like courage means being afraid and doing something anyway, commitment does not mean being unable to back out.&amp;nbsp; It means having the freedom to back out *&lt;em&gt;and doing it anyway&lt;/em&gt;*.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I need to go to bed now, because I&apos;m feeling a little nihilistic about the fate of our species after this.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=443378&quot; 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  <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 02:30:53 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>What Does Commitment Mean In Polyamory?</title>
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  <description>&lt;div align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.quora.com/What-does-committed-relationship-mean-in-terms-of-polyamory/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;https://www.quora.com/What-does-committed-relationship-mean-in-terms-of-polyamory/answer/Joreth-Innkeeper&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Q.   What does &amp;quot;committed relationship&amp;quot; mean in terms of polyamory?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;A.&lt;/b&gt;   There is an atheist saying:  &amp;ldquo;I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you&amp;rdquo;.  It means that everyone lacks belief in gods, so when you ask what it&amp;rsquo;s like to not believe in *&lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt;* gods, it&amp;rsquo;s much like what it&amp;rsquo;s like when you don&amp;rsquo;t believe in other gods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Commitment in polyamory is much the same thing.  Everyone commits to a variety of things in their relationships.  Polys just don&amp;rsquo;t commit to sexual exclusivity.  Otherwise, we commit to many of the same things.  When you took your wedding vows (or when people do, if you, reader, personally haven&amp;rsquo;t gotten married), there were all kinds of commitments in those vows, and I&amp;rsquo;d wager that none of them were &amp;ldquo;I promise never to let my genitals touch anyone else&amp;rsquo;s genitals&amp;rdquo;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For instance, these are my wedding vows.  I&amp;rsquo;d bet some of them sound pretty similar to a lot of your monogamous wedding vows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;I commit myself to you&lt;br /&gt;As your spouse&lt;br /&gt;To learn and grow with,&lt;br /&gt;To explore and adventure with,&lt;br /&gt;To build and create with,&lt;br /&gt;To support you and respect you&lt;br /&gt;In everything as an equal partner,&lt;br /&gt;In the foreknowledge of joy and pain,&lt;br /&gt;Strength and weariness,&lt;br /&gt;Direction and doubt,&lt;br /&gt;For as long as the love shall last.&lt;br /&gt;We exchange these rings&lt;br /&gt;To symbolize our connection to one another.&lt;br /&gt;They represent a commitment&lt;br /&gt;To honor and respect one another&lt;br /&gt;And to recognize&lt;br /&gt;The agency and essential humanity of each of us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See?  Nothing in there about genitals or sex.  All we did, really, was leave out the parts about forsaking all others and the part about forever, but the rest is pretty similar to monogamous vows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A friend of mine once said that being poly is kind of like being vegetarian, where people find out that she doesn&amp;rsquo;t eat meat, so they ask &amp;ldquo;OMG what do you even eat then?!&amp;rdquo; as if the absence of meat means that, literally, the majority of foodstuffs on the planet don&amp;rsquo;t exist.  There&amp;rsquo;s so much more to eat besides beef, chicken, lettuce and Wonder bread, and if you thought about it, you&amp;rsquo;d realize that you eat a lot of the same things that vegetarians do too, they just don&amp;rsquo;t eat meat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because polys have to think a little more deliberately about the kinds of things we commit to, since there isn&amp;rsquo;t really a social template to follow and we can&amp;rsquo;t just do things by default, some of us probably have come up with some commitments that monogamous people don&amp;rsquo;t make.  I&amp;rsquo;m not saying we&amp;rsquo;re *&lt;em&gt;identical&lt;/em&gt;* to monogamy only without sexual exclusivity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, I&amp;rsquo;d even bet that *&lt;em&gt;monogamists&lt;/em&gt;* aren&amp;rsquo;t identical to each other and y&amp;rsquo;all make some commitments amongst yourselves that are unique, or at least not common or that not everyone else makes too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m also childfree by choice and solo poly, which means that in addition to not being sexually exclusive, I also don&amp;rsquo;t make commitments to things like co-parenting or cohabiting.  So, I&amp;rsquo;m sure that some of my personal commitments are things that other people don&amp;rsquo;t make in their relationships.  But they&amp;rsquo;re still normal sorts of things to commit to that even mono relationships could benefit from.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a lot of them are things that a lot of people do commit to, but so much of monogamy is by default and by implicit assumption.  So, if pressed, a lot of people could probably admit to some of them being values they also hold, they just never really thought about it or said it out loud like a vow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have so many things that I commit to in relationships, that I wrote a whole page on my website that I managed to get more than 20 blog pieces out of when I broke it down by each commitment that I make in my relationships:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.TheInnBetween.net/polycommitments.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.TheInnBetween.net/polycommitments.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The full explanation of each point is on that page. The bullet list is:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to respecting my partners&apos; autonomy, agency, and personal sovereignty - that is, respecting their right to make informed, un-coerced decisions and to be responsible for their own decisions, their right to act according to their own free will, and their right to own their body and control what happens to it.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to respecting my partners&amp;rsquo; right to make their own life choices.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to doing my best to practice flexibility and compassion with regards to the paths my partners may take in life.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to respecting the roles that other people play in my partners&amp;rsquo; lives.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to allowing my metamour relationships to find their own structure and direction without forcing them into a predetermined shape.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to considering my metamours as &amp;quot;family&amp;quot; regardless of the structure or emotional closeness of our individual metamour relationships and to treat them accordingly.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to working through problems with my partners starting with the assumption that we love and cherish each other and are therefore really on the same side.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to supporting my partners in being the best version of themselves that they can be.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to taking care of myself so that I can be the best partner I can be.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to protecting the safety of myself and my partners through informed consent and risk-benefit analysis of behaviour, prioritizing evidence-based reason above emotional justification.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to addressing issues early in order to prevent them from becoming too big to handle.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to prioritizing situations, not partners, because all my partners are a priority.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to including my partners on the higher ring of priorities in my life (partners / work / pets / family emergencies / etc.) and to not passing them over in favor of other events or people too often.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to accepting assistance from my partners when needed, and sometimes just when it would be nice.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to limiting my actions and words which have the intent or goal of harming my partners, although I acknowledge that some decisions I may make for the benefit of myself or my relationships may result in hurt as a consequence, unintentional or not.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to be as clear about my expectations as possible, both with myself and with my partners.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to choosing the Path of Greatest Courage by always being honest with myself and my partners while simultaneously allowing compassion to dictate the delivery of my honesty.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to prioritizing the happiness of the individuals over the longevity of the group if / when those two values are in conflict.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to discussing harm reduction plans and contingency plans for when bad things happen, because I understand that we can&amp;rsquo;t always prevent them from happening.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to allowing the relationship to find its own structure and direction without forcing it into a predetermined shape and to considering alternate structures and directions before automatically resorting to breaking up when situations and priorities change.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to becoming a friendly ex should a breakup occur and the situation is such that it would not be harmful to remain in contact, with the understanding that &amp;ldquo;friendly ex&amp;rdquo; is a statement on my own actions, not the structure of the post-breakup relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to choosing partners who share my values so that they also make similar commitments to themselves, to me and our relationship, and by extension, my other partners (their metamours).&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to not expecting anyone to live up to the Perfect Poly standard, including myself.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I am committed to allowing myself and my partners the forgiveness and the freedom to be flawed, to have bad days, and to occasionally fail to live up to expectations or commitments, providing that the bad times do not outnumber the good times in either frequency or emotional weight and the commitment to prioritizing individual happiness over longevity still holds.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Honestly, the frequency with which monogamous people ask polys incredulously about what we could possibly commit to if sexual exclusivity is off the table kinda makes *&lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;* want to question *&lt;em&gt;them&lt;/em&gt;* about the kinds of things *&lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt;* commit to, since they can&amp;rsquo;t seem to come up with what else we might commit to on their own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;ldquo;But what do you commit to if not sexual exclusivity?&amp;rdquo;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;ldquo;Wait a minute, what do *&lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;* commit to?  Is sexual exclusivity really the only possible relationship commitment you can come up with?  Is that really the only part of your relationship that makes it stand out as something special?  That elevates this relationship above all others?  Is this really the only difference between your marriage and all your other relationships?  That you have sex with just this one person?  What happens if one of you gets sick and you can&amp;rsquo;t have sex with them anymore?  Is that the only thing holding your relationship together?  If you can&amp;rsquo;t have sex, does your relationship fall apart because you have no other commitments to each other?  What do YOU commit to besides sexual exclusivity?&amp;rdquo;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=435282&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 04:19:09 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>What Do I Commit To If Not Sexual Fidelity? - Relationship Fluidity And Flexibility</title>
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  <description>&lt;div align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theinnbetween.net/polycommitments.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://p.dreamwidth.org/827f76b03bff/3024394-366001/www.theinnbetween.net/visions/sitegraphics/Commitment_819x1024.png&quot; alt=&quot;Commitments Parchment&quot; width=&quot;240&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;* I am committed to allowing the relationship to find its own structure and direction without forcing it into a predetermined shape and to considering alternate structures and directions before automatically resorting to breaking up when situations and priorities change.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am committed to allowing the relationship to find its own structure and direction without forcing it into a predetermined shape and to considering alternate structures and directions before automatically resorting to breaking up when situations and priorities change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the natural extension of &lt;a href=&quot;https://joreth.dreamwidth.org/366001.html&quot;&gt;the previous commitment&lt;/a&gt;. In addition to committing to being flexible with plans within a relationship, I want to be flexible about the relationship itself. As I mentioned before, I have a style of poly in my head that I idealize - the close-knit poly family. I need to be accommodating to the individual needs of each relationship and to make sure that the relationship follows its own natural path. Sometimes those paths twist and turn a bit. When they take a sharp left turn, it may not be necessary to get off the path entirely just because it&apos;s no longer going in the direction I thought it should. Sometimes, I may be able to follow a new path.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just to make sure that metaphor was perfectly clear, I am reminding myself here that there are more than two states for romantic relationships - together or broken up. I have already established that I can accept a variety of relationship configurations and that I do not want to prescript my relationships. So here I am establishing that I will not let my relationship descriptions turn prescriptive once we get in them. If, some time into a relationship, one or the other (or both) of us decides that our life needs to look different than it currently does, I am reminding myself that it may be possible to simply readjust our relationship to look different too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I first started dating Franklin, we lived 3 miles away from each other. Then he moved to Gainesville. Then I moved to Orlando. Then he moved to Atlanta. Then he moved to Portland. If either of us had insisted that our relationship was a local relationship and could only be a local relationship, it would have ended with the first move to Gainesville a mere year or two into it. Instead, what I got was a long-distance relationship that has, as of this post, lasted more than a decade, brought me valuable life lessons, been a source of joy and comfort, taught me how to become the person I wanted to be, and introduced me to the people I consider my intentional family and those I feel the most connected to anywhere in the world (with the exception of my best friend, who I met through another partner).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When things change, I do not need to automatically reach for the breakup card. When things change, I can assess if we can change with it. The relationship may not be what we originally hoped it would be, but then again, it might be something just as valuable or more that we never anticipated if we give it room to just be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=386617&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <title>Things I Want To &apos;Toon: The Relationship Escalator</title>
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  <description>&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;#ThingsIWantToToon: I want to show a picture of people riding an escalator with signs or markers or levels that are labeled with common Important Relationship Markers (like &amp;quot;first date&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;first kiss&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;meeting the parents&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;PIV sex&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;marriage&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;baby&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;first mortgage&amp;quot;, etc.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;The people all look remarkably similar, bland, and like they&apos;re trudging through the process unwillingly or neutrally. Maybe one or two of them look happy and excited to be there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;In the next panel, or maybe down on the ground floor, there is a buffet set up with several different food tables scattered around in a non-linear fashion with all the same labels on the dishes, and maybe a few not listed on the escalator. People are wandering around, not in line, browsing, excitedly helping themselves to this or that, walking away with heaping plates or sparse plates, all generally looking happy to be there and full of color and &amp;quot;energy&amp;quot;. Maybe a few people standing around the edges with empty plates looking nervous.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;And at least one person in both groups is looking longingly at the other group.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=370578&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:19:42 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>But How Can You Have A Polyamorous Relationship Without Safe Sex Rules?</title>
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  <description>&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;A quick explanation of how I have boundaries regarding safer sex practices that don&apos;t turn into &amp;quot;rules&amp;quot; or those insidious type of rules that masquerade as &amp;quot;agreements&amp;quot; from a comment I made literally upon waking and not even out of bed yet:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;Q. You say you don&apos;t have rules or agreements about what people can do with others, but don&apos;t your safer sex agreements cover what your partners can do with others?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;A. Nope, they address safer sex boundaries *&lt;em&gt;with me&lt;/em&gt;*.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;All of my relationships are structured to support everyone in being authentic to themselves and any &amp;quot;agreements&amp;quot; are about what &amp;quot;you&amp;quot; can do to *&lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;*, not what &amp;quot;you&amp;quot; can do with others.  And even then, those &amp;quot;agreements&amp;quot; are always subject to negotiation. &amp;quot;That thing you said you needed me to do to you? I don&apos;t think I can live up to that, so let&apos;s talk about our options&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;Boundaries are the lines I draw around *&lt;em&gt;myself&lt;/em&gt;* and only myself. They are the edges of where I end and the world begins. They tell you how to treat me, and that&apos;s it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;Boundaries are if-then statements. Rules are you-will statements. So, my boundaries are &amp;quot;if you take these kinds of precautions with others, then I will have this kind of sex with you&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;if you do these things, then I will not have this kind of sex with you&amp;quot;. I do not say &amp;quot;we agree that you (and I) will not do these things with others.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;My partners can make whatever choices they want regarding their own bodies, minds, and feelings with regards to other people. Only when it comes to what they do with me do I get a say in it.  Then I choose partners who naturally, of their own volition, *&lt;em&gt;prefer&lt;/em&gt;* to do the kinds of things that match my boundaries. Then I never have to police anyone, and there is never any punishment nor &amp;quot;breaking&amp;quot; some agreement (which, btw, is one way you know it&apos;s a rule in disguise) because I&apos;m not their mother to dictate and punish their behaviour when they misbehave.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;My relationships are a Choose Your Own Adventure story. If we make Choice A, the story goes this way. If we make Choice B, the story goes another way. This respects everyone&apos;s autonomy and agency at the same time. They are free to make choices about themselves, I am free to make choices about myself, together our choices create our relationship structure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=369686&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:35:19 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>What Do I Commit To If Not Sexual Fidelity? - Harm Reduction &amp; Contingency Plans</title>
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  <description>&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theinnbetween.net/polycommitments.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.theinnbetween.net/visions/sitegraphics/Commitment_819x1024.png&quot; alt=&quot;Commitments Parchment&quot; width=&quot;240&quot; height=&quot;300&quot; hspace=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;* I am committed to discussing harm reduction plans and contingency plans for when bad things happen, because I understand that we can&amp;rsquo;t always prevent them from happening.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;One style of relationships, not just in poly but in all romantic relationships, involves legislating away bad things. Fear of losing a relationship that is important is a completely natural and reasonable fear to have. It&apos;s what we do about that fear that makes the difference. For some people, the way they deal with that fear is to make rules saying that things that could lead to losing a relationship simply won&apos;t happen. I&apos;ve seen lots of poly relationships with rules that say &amp;quot;you cannot get anyone pregnant but your wife&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;I promise not to get pregnant by anyone other than my husband.&amp;quot; As if we can stop that from happening in relationships that include PIV sex. Oh, sure, we can significantly reduce the likelihood of that happening, absolutely. But condoms break, vasectomies fail, and sometimes someone forgets to take a pill.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;A more successful strategy than trying to rule away something like that is to take all reasonable precautions (with &amp;quot;reasonable&amp;quot; being defined by everyone involved, not just the &amp;quot;primary couple&amp;quot;) and to also discuss contingency plans and harm reduction. A more successful strategy is to realize that sometimes shit just happens and sometimes &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.franklinveaux.com/2010/02/some-thoughts-on-game-changers/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Game Changers&lt;/a&gt; come along and change the game. Therefore, we can&apos;t afford to pretend like we have control over our future. We have some, but not ultimate control. We need to accept that the best laid schemes of mice and men often go awry. If we go into our relationships with that as our premise, we are better equipped to deal with change when it happens. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;When it happens.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; Change is often unexpected, and we can&apos;t expect the unexpected, pretty much by definition. But we can expect that the unexpected will probably happen at some point even if we can&apos;t predict what form it will take.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;So rather than freaking out about it, or feeling betrayed even though change was inevitable, I can accept that change was bound to come along and fuck things up sooner or later and just plan to change the plans. This is how my J-ness (INTJ on the Meyers-Briggs scale) handles P people - how a schedule-oriented person can deal with spontaneous people. I put on my schedule that this is Anything Can Happen Time. Now it&apos;s on the schedule, it&apos;s part of the plan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align=&quot;justify&quot;&gt;I am committing myself to attempting to address contingency plans beforehand for those scenarios we can think up (like an accidental pregnancy) and immediately afterwards both for those scenarios we couldn&apos;t think up until they happened as well as those scenarios we did think up but now someone wants to change the predetermined plan, because Game Changers happen. This is especially important no matter which direction the change comes from. I might want something different than I did at the beginning of a relationship, or my partner might want something different. Either way, I need to be willing to consider alternate options. I want to be more committed to considering alternatives and backup plans than I am to any given plan, so that I can weather change with more grace and dignity than I have in the past.&lt;/p&gt;(Read the full list of commitments at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theinnbetween.net/polycommitments.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.theinnbetween.net/polycommitments.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=366001&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2017 19:13:26 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>Reminder: Our Wedding Is Public &amp; Coming Up Soon - You&apos;re Invited! Arrangement Details Here</title>
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  <description>A few reminders:&lt;p&gt;1) Our wedding is public so if you can read this, you are invited (with only a few exceptions and they probably know who they are, mostly involving people I&apos;ve had to block - if I&apos;ve ever told you to fuck off, especially if I knew you in real life and I still told you to fuck off and then blocked you on all forms of contact, then you&apos;re probably not invited).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) Plane tickets are going up, so make sure you make your travel  arrangements soon for the wedding.  San Jose (SJC) Mineta International  Airport is the closest airport to the traditional ceremony and Seattle  (SEA) International Airport is the closest airport to the handfasting  ceremony.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;text_exposed_show&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also remember that you need Northwest Recess event tickets to attend the handfasting ceremony. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;3) We have secured a block of rooms at an inexpensive (for Silicon  Valley) hotel that is the closest hotel to the location for the  traditional ceremony.  This means that the rate is locked in and will  not increase even as regular room rates increase.  Any rooms not claimed  under that room block 30 days before will be removed from the block and  you will have to pay full price to get a room, assuming there are any  left by then.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You don&apos;t have to stay here.  We chose it for  convenience and proximity to the wedding location and you can choose  other accommodations if you prefer, but prices are going up.  Silicon  Valley in summertime is not a cheap place to visit, so make your  reservations soon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you are getting a room there, please let us  know so that we can adjust the number and types of rooms available.  If  you tried to reserve a room and the kind you wanted (2 double beds or 1  queen bed) was not available, let us know and we can add more of those  rooms to the block.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;4) We will be sending out formal invitations  with instructions, maps, addresses, etc. in less than a month, so make  sure you RSVP with your email address and mailing address before then to  receive them, even if you aren&apos;t sure yet.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can fill out  the RSVP form, leave the specific events blank, and just add your  addresses and comments for now if you want, and then come back and  change your RSVP later.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;All of this information and more, including relevant links, located here: &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/SquiggleWeddingCon&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/SquiggleWeddingCon&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=joreth&amp;ditemid=360282&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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